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SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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Agreed. It's unlikely they stumbled onto an industry standard phrase like that alone, then innocently used it without knowing the generally accepted meaning. This is deceptive advertising.

Not just "deceptive" nor "unlikely", it's blatant false advertising.

Fraudulent is the word i would use.

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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Being the Linux geek, I use MS Teams. I even use it with its Linux client, and works astonishingly well. My only 2 grievances with it are: 1. Teams steals focus to make the next message on a group, rather than in the threat ALL THE TIME. Ive been there for a dozen comments because Teams stole cursor focus. 2. Its easy to make an invite to a one-shot room, rather than use an existing room. Doing so loses all history a…

Yikes. The only place MS has in any of this is on the list of privacy invaders and products to avoid.

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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Apple does the same thing, where they claim iMessage is ETE encrypted, but the keys (so capabilities to read) are stored on their servers.

No, it doesn't. https://support.apple.com/guide/security/how-imessage-sends-...

I think this article is a bit over my head, but if Apple never has possession of users' private keys, how are they able to recover iMessage conversations when a phone is lost/stolen (which I know they can do)?

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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That's the right thing to do. If SpaceX is important to national security, then Zoom security and privacy is so bad, that a bad actor could steal SpaceX technology.

At my previous job, we used to dial in random zoom numbers and entered into random conversations of other companies. Once we landed into a Facebook call where they were talking about Libra (before it was a thing).

If you turn of camera and video, the host doesn't even know you're there unless they check guest list.

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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The fact that they show end users (no pun intended) an "end-to-end encrypted" badge on the meeting window itself, and elsewhere explain how a Zoom server (not Zoom client) is what constitutes an "end" despite the whole rest of the electronic communication industry using "end-to-end" to refer exclusively to user agents, is bonkers.

They are using the same language as Apple talking about iMessage and FaceTime. Apple talks about end to end encryption, but one end is iCloud which is why you can get your messages simultaneously on all devices.

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does the same thing, where they claim iMessage is ETE encrypted, but the keys (so capabilities to read) are stored on their servers.

No, it doesn't. https://support.apple.com/guide/security/how-imessage-sends-...

Yes, it does. The messages are 'end to end' encrypted in the iMessage service, but then iMessage backs up its encryption key in the iCloud backup service, defeating the point.

"If you have iCloud Backup turned on, your backup includes a copy of the key protecting your Messages. This ensures you can recover your Messages if you lose access to iCloud Keychain and your trusted devices."

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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The fact that they show end users (no pun intended) an "end-to-end encrypted" badge on the meeting window itself, and elsewhere explain how a Zoom server (not Zoom client) is what constitutes an "end" despite the whole rest of the electronic communication industry using "end-to-end" to refer exclusively to user agents, is bonkers.

they appear to have already changed this to "your client connection is encrypted"

That must have a hilarious commit message.

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Zoom is such a bizarre product. For huge video calls, it tends to perform as well or better than everything else out there. Yet at the same time it literally seems like straight-up malware and seems to violate your trust and privacy left and right every step of the way, even in the installer (!).

It was one of the fastest-growing SAAS companies before coronavirus hit despite all the free competition. The reason? "It just works." It's clear their singular focus on making it "just work" for even the least tech-savvy users has led them to prioritise user experience over security/privacy. I imagine a rebalancing is coming.

Materially misrepresenting the product is not "prioritizing UX", it's lying to your customers.

Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns

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SpaceX is strategic national defense, so this makes sense. I expect many similar companies to follow suit.

Seems like any organization under ITAR should prefer in-house solutions in areas relating to dissemination of sensitive design notes.

I wonder if in NOVA the startup pitch cliche is "x for ITAR" instead of "uber for x".
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