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Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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If Honda is "bucking a trend" here it just shows how much professionals, experts and decision-makers can be fooled by trends. I speculate that Tesla made it something other luxury brands wanted too, and then those brands went bezerk: E.g. the newest Range Rover models feature multiple touch screens, they turned your AC-control-knobs into touch-screens as well, and even the once-handy controls on your steering wheel.…

I thought TSLA was doing it because they want self-driving now and this makes it easier.

I didn't meant TSLA as a part of premium brands. Rather that TSLA using those large touch screens in their Model S, I think, to a large part drove premium brands into buying into touch screens as a trend.

BTW installing a large touch-screen under the premise of soon-to-be fully self-driving vehicles in 2013's Model S has to be a loooong waiting for "making it easier" ;-)

But I guess the car-makers touch screen folly might be even more attributable to the impact the iPhone made at that time.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

I don't think this is entirely true. The GA glass panels love touchscreens, and they are just as FAA-certified as their non-touchscreen counterparts.

You are right that they are flaky. Here's Martin Pauly (great YouTube channel!) using his touchscreen transponder and it just stops working: https://youtu.be/bopcQSJKcD8?t=732

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

> Touch screens will hopefully never make it into any critical pilot systems

The F-35 Fighter Jet has basically only touch-screens (apart from Hands-on-throttle-and-stick controls for when you are busy pulling Gs)

Depends on your definition of "critical" but I don't think this is a great example.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

> Touch screens will hopefully never make it into any critical pilot systems The F-35 Fighter Jet has basically only touch-screens (apart from Hands-on-throttle-and-stick controls for when you are busy pulling Gs) Depends on your definition of "critical" but I don't think this is a great example.

And the F-35 is a great example of how not to do things, so of course it has touchscreens.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

Perhaps, but on many pilot's knees will be a digital touchscreen kneeboard which having learned with paper approach plates and map books myself was a godsend.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Anecdotaly, my touch screen devices's screens are less durable than my mechanical keyboard, but I agree with your overall points, touch screens can be made incredibly durable.

Very interesting... I wonder what it would take for a touchscreen keyboard to be as reliable or live as long as a mechanical keyboard. Maybe it already does, but my mental picture and experience of phone screens getting flaky, and taking secondary+ swipes does not give me the confidence a mechanical keyboard does.

If they can make a durable touchscreen keyboard with a good click sound and feel and reasonable key travel and resistance, and that doesn't get crudded up with skin oils and food film, I'm willing to pay big bucks for it.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Now would be a good time, there are very few of us who use the engine disconnect pedal these days.

What is an "engine disconnect pedal"? You rewire the ignition or something?

Complicated way to say clutch

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Eminently sensible call by Honda. Knobs, dials and switches work well and do not demand that a driver takes their eyes off the road. I suppose that voice controls would be a reasonably safe tech option, but probably not cost-effective.

My car has onboard voice controls, but, unlike Siri via the car's audio system, they suck. Recognition is slow and unreliable enough that I never bother, and if I did, the cognitive overhead would be unacceptably high anyway. They'd have done better not to bother implementing them at all and instead just offload that work to the driver's paired smartphone, which for a sedan that listed $32k new, it's very reasonable…

>My car has onboard voice controls, but, unlike Siri via the car's audio system, they suck

Using Siri is more dangerous than driving and texting:

"Undistracted drivers typically showed a one-second reaction time. Those who used the voice-controlled Apple CarPlay saw a 36% increase in their reaction time, which rose to 57% when they used the touch interface."

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/03/20/new-study-shows-u...

Touchscreens should be banned in cars. I bought my car without any for that reason.

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