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Re: Linux 5.6

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #15
tracker1 wrote: post #13

Upgraded to a system with an X570 motherboard and an RX 5700 XT graphics card... for the most part, since Kernel 5.3, every release has been more stable and mostly better performing... though having to manually download drivers a couple times from the kernel git repo has been a pain, I really appreciate the effort. ----- Rant ahead... If only the front end could button up more... Gnome's blank screen + password seems…

You should perhaps try other desktop environments/windows managers. The linux desktop world definitely does not simply end beyond Gnome and KDE. And very few people seem to be enjoying Gnome much at all, it just seems like a poorly designed environment. Nowadays I feel like throwing up at the thought of having to switch back to Windows, even in terms of desktop environment and interface. There are just so many more t…

It's been a decade of despair in desktops, and even more maddeningly for Linux.

Windows tried to commit business suicide with their desktop, and Linux could have made such massive strides in that time.

Instead the desktop balkanization is even worse, Ubuntu disrupted things with Unity, GNOME and KDE went through full version rewrites.

OSX is also stagnant (the finder is terrible, basic apps like media playing and image viewing are either missing basic features or saddled with forced ecosystem tie-ins, the mouse cursor and keyboard cursor disappears, basic shareware utilities are routinely made incompatible between releases and that's apparently by business shakedown strategy rather than technical reasons.

Re: Linux 5.6

#142

Post by fredmorcos »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #93
minton wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

My sense is that this kind of thing is typical for newer versions of the Linux kernel. Most people don't run the latest kernel release, and for day-to-day applications, running an older, more stable version of the kernel won't effect anything. I quit MacOS a little over 10 years ago now. I used to be a huge Mac fan, even subscribing to MacAddict magazine and frequenting the Mac Rumors website. It was a cult and I hav…

> I'm using Arch Linux and it's the most stable operating system I've ever used.

lol

(from an arch user)

Re: Linux 5.6

#143

Post by dirtydroog »

tracker1 wrote: post #136
dirtydroog wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VMWare Player is free for non-commercial use. https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/free#desktop_end_user_co...

You cannot create a VM in VMWare Player. And since this would be for work projects, it wouldn't be non-commercial use.

Unless you mean something different... yes you can. I'm using it right now.

Re: Linux 5.6

#144

Post by blurbleblurble »

fredmorcos wrote: post #142
blurbleblurble wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sense is that this kind of thing is typical for newer versions of the Linux kernel. Most people don't run the latest kernel release, and for day-to-day applications, running an older, more stable version of the kernel won't effect anything. I quit MacOS a little over 10 years ago now. I used to be a huge Mac fan, even subscribing to MacAddict magazine and frequenting the Mac Rumors website. It was a cult and I hav…

> I'm using Arch Linux and it's the most stable operating system I've ever used. lol (from an arch user)

Okay the lol is warranted... but in a certain way I'm serious: Ubuntu and MacOS were always changing things for me whenever I upgraded. Arch doesn't make any systemwide configuration changes. If some package has backwards-incompatible changes, I deal with those one at a time, but there's none of this "oh we rearranged the entire organizational structure of your root directory surprise!!!" stuff.

And because I'm always getting the latest stable versions of things, bugs often disappear magically, rather than lingering on until the next major upgrade.

And yeah I mean you gotta follow some key rules, like never install anything without the `u` flag, etc.

Re: Linux 5.6

#146

Post by stjohnswarts »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

Unless you're doing kernel development why would you be downloading and compiling the bleeding edge kernel on your desktop?

Re: Linux 5.6

#147

Post by Erlich_Bachman »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #86
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should perhaps try other desktop environments/windows managers. The linux desktop world definitely does not simply end beyond Gnome and KDE. And very few people seem to be enjoying Gnome much at all, it just seems like a poorly designed environment. Nowadays I feel like throwing up at the thought of having to switch back to Windows, even in terms of desktop environment and interface. There are just so many more t…

> And very few people seem to be enjoying Gnome much at all, Happy people don't comment as often as people who have complaints. I personally have used GNOME for a decade and a half, and it continues to Just Work for me, and get better with each release. I'm not suggesting that nobody has issues with it, but the idea that nobody likes it is certainly untrue. There's a reason it's the most popular default environment i…

Not GNOME 3 right? It is the old GNOME that has "just worked", and I was talking about the new one which everyone hates despite Ubuntu trying to push people into using it.

Re: Linux 5.6

#148

Post by Erlich_Bachman »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #141
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should perhaps try other desktop environments/windows managers. The linux desktop world definitely does not simply end beyond Gnome and KDE. And very few people seem to be enjoying Gnome much at all, it just seems like a poorly designed environment. Nowadays I feel like throwing up at the thought of having to switch back to Windows, even in terms of desktop environment and interface. There are just so many more t…

It's been a decade of despair in desktops, and even more maddeningly for Linux. Windows tried to commit business suicide with their desktop, and Linux could have made such massive strides in that time. Instead the desktop balkanization is even worse, Ubuntu disrupted things with Unity, GNOME and KDE went through full version rewrites. OSX is also stagnant (the finder is terrible, basic apps like media playing and ima…

There are many Linux desktop environments that work great, I've been using them and am very happy with them. I am not sure what you mean "decade of despair".

Re: Linux 5.6

#149

Post by JoshTriplett »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #147
JoshTriplett wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And very few people seem to be enjoying Gnome much at all, Happy people don't comment as often as people who have complaints. I personally have used GNOME for a decade and a half, and it continues to Just Work for me, and get better with each release. I'm not suggesting that nobody has issues with it, but the idea that nobody likes it is certainly untrue. There's a reason it's the most popular default environment i…

Not GNOME 3 right? It is the old GNOME that has "just worked", and I was talking about the new one which everyone hates despite Ubuntu trying to push people into using it.

(You might consider approaching things with less flames. Also, no, that's not historically accurate: Ubuntu didn't push GNOME until quite recently; they pushed their own Unity environment for a long time, and only recently switched to GNOME to better align with other distributions. And as mentioned in the comment you're replying to, no, "everyone" doesn't hate GNOME 3. Some people do. Loudness does not indicate quantity or proportion.)

Yes, I mean GNOME 3, which Just Works for me, far better than GNOME 2 ever did. Before that, I ran GNOME 2, which was far better than GNOME 1. And before that I ran GNOME 1.

The parallels between GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 are remarkable: GNOME 2 was also a major new version, much simpler with less configuration options and more focus on good out-of-the-box behavior, people hated it at first for daring to change at all, in addition to legitimate criticisms that they'd removed too much, and after the first couple of versions they found the right balance and the result turned out much better.

Re: Linux 5.6

#150

Post by ChristianBundy »

Spivak wrote: post #79
ChristianBundy wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may already do this, but bugs like these are the reason I usually recommend having two kernels. The "oh crap did the latest release break X" is a lot easier to test if you can just reboot into the LTS kernel.

Isn't that basically what every distro does these days by keeping 2+ kernels and a rescue kernel around?

Is there somewhere I can read more about that?
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