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Re: Linux 5.6

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Post by minton »

hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

Re: Linux 5.6

#92

Post by Arnt »

phaemon wrote: post #24
Arnt wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that probably? What makes it probable?

Because if you're a competent enough programmer to contribute to the Linux kernel, you're probably competent enough to get a job as a programmer.

I see, and so you assume that that job would be the contribution.

When I contributed to the kernel (in a rather minor way, I hasten to add), I was competent enough to get a job as a programmer but my job had nothing to do with the kernel. As far as I can remember that was typical for the people who contributed during the first five years or so. I didn't pay much attention after that.

Re: Linux 5.6

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Post by blurbleblurble »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

My sense is that this kind of thing is typical for newer versions of the Linux kernel. Most people don't run the latest kernel release, and for day-to-day applications, running an older, more stable version of the kernel won't effect anything.

I quit MacOS a little over 10 years ago now. I used to be a huge Mac fan, even subscribing to MacAddict magazine and frequenting the Mac Rumors website.

It was a cult and I have absolutely no regrets leaving. Especially now that Bitwig runs on Linux, what would I ever need a Mac for?

I'm using Arch Linux and it's the most stable operating system I've ever used. I've gone more than 4 years with the same installation. Thanks to the Arch wiki I now have working knowledge of things like systemd and how to compile kernel modules. These things really aren't nearly as scary as they sound. I didn't learn about them by reading the longwinded `man` pages... I learned about them from the Arch wiki!

Re: Linux 5.6

#94

Post by kitotik »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

I recently put Linux on a MacBook Air. It’s the same as it’s ever been - extremely finicky and time consuming to get all your stuff working smoothly. Requires scouring random bug reports, stack overflow etc to find all the little work arounds.

This is for what I consider critical stuff: network drivers, suspend/sleep, power management, display brightness etc.

My impression is that it is not any more or less of a mess than it was in the 2000s, or even in the late 90s.

All that being said, it’s still wonderful and gratifying once you have everything tuned to your liking.

Re: Linux 5.6

#95

Post by paulfurtado »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

It's pretty atypical to upgrade to the latest mainline linux kernel the day the kernel is released. Most distributions take time to pick up a new kernel and make it part of a major distribution release that is subject to more testing. The OP must be using a bleeding-edge rolling-release distro like Arch Linux or running a custom kernel. I wouldn't anticipate such problems if running a popular release based distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, etc.

Re: Linux 5.6

#98

Post by snori74 »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

Most (99.9pc) Linux users get all their updates via their distro. Not saying you can't get a bad update, but Much less likely if you're a little patient.

Re: Linux 5.6

#99

Post by nextos »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

Glitches like this are very infrequent if you run well chosen hardware. If you run e.g. an all-Intel setup which is a few months old, it's rare.

If you are afraid of things getting broken, simply use NixOS. All upgrades can be easily rolled back, and you can freeze updates of some packages, or get packages through different channels with different stability compromises. I prefer to get everything through rolling release channels, as then bugs come one by one.

I've been running Linux on a MacBook Air 11 2012 for years, and everything worked out of the box from day 1. For the record, that's a pure Intel machine with the exception of a Broadcom wireless card. Said card works equally bad in Linux and Mac, I don't get why Apple keeps sticking to this brand.

I was hoping to upgrade to one of the new 2020 Airs, which are again providing terrific value, a great screen and keyboard. Sadly, the T2 chip makes things a bit difficult. It's getting support for Linux, but there are still many glitches. My Mac was broken by some stupid inspector in my rental property, and it's sadly not so easy to find a decent replacement with all COVID restrictions.

Another option is the Surface line, which is surprisingly well supported. The Surface Go, for example, works incredibly well as a tablet. All recent Surface machines work quite well in Linux.

Else, your best bet is a ThinkPad or an XPS. Unfortunately, Chromebooks are no longer so easy to reflash.

Re: Linux 5.6

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Post by bavell »

kitotik wrote: post #96
edflsafoiewq wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is i915 fixed?

It is for me on 5.6-rc7. Tried as both a module and built in.

Really hope that's the case for me as well. I've been experiencing unrecoverable gpu hangs on my i915 Skylake chip with recent kernels (5.2-5.5).
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