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For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Well I'm not saying this is the right place for his frustration, but it is a bit annoying that the narrative around domestic abuse is that it's something men to do women, while in reality the statistics show us that both men and women are guilty of domestic violence at about the same rate. There are thousands of shelters for women in the US, while for men there are less than 5 scattered across the country. Men and wo…

>while in reality the statistics show us that both men and women are guilty of domestic violence at about the same rate I find that _extremely_ suspect. > In the U.S., about 31 percent of men and 37 percent of women have experienced sexual violence, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I am not disagreeing with that statistic, but it's a si…

There is a statistic finding in domestic violence that becomes really strange and weird if men and women are not guilty of committing domestic violence at about the same rate.

Using Swedish data (through other countries report the same finding). Households of two men, two women, or a man and a woman all has the same rate of domestic abuse being reported to the police. This result in the strange statistical finding that a bisexual woman going from a heterosexual relationship to a homosexual relationship increases her aggression by over 200%. Similar, a bisexual man doing the same thing reduces his aggression by almost 50%. This is not checklists or polls, but rather plain crime statistics collected by police and courts.

A theory to explain this is that displacement violence in pair relationships is a equal risk for all human relationships regardless of the genders involved, but the method deployed by the aggressor is likely different depending if the aggressor has more physical strength than the victim.

Naturally we must also consider that while averages exist, people are still individuals and there are huge variation in any population.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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is this a realistic hypothetical? most people in abusive situations either don't have another place to go in the first place, or the abuser has leverage (eg, a child) to keep them in that home. wouldn't the threat of calling the cops be only a marginal source of leverage?

A core part of many abusive relationships is the message "No one else cares about you, no one loves you, I'm the only one who will help you". The abuser will socially isolate the victim, cutting off friendships & family. What friends & family remain, the abuser will work to discredit or estrange, all the while telling the victim the abuser is the only person they can rely on. I think you are imagining abuse victims a…

In an abusive relationship.

If I try and leave she threatens to call the cops.

Uses every emotional trick to make it clear I have no wear to go.

Lots of other emotional abuse.

Next day she’s bright as can be. Confused as to why any of it bothers me.

Kids are very much only reason staying.

Took many years to break free of mental chains.

Kids almost old enough to see through BS.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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So, forget slowing the epidemic, screw the healthcare workers that'll get the brunt of the caseloads, and the overloaded hospitals, screw the ones who will die in excess of what we can actually prevent, just because you feel it's inconvenient. Thanks for self-identifying. I'll be sure to exclude you from anything I can think of, since you're willing to sacrifice random strangers for your own comfort.

> since you're willing to sacrifice random strangers for your own comfort Come on, so are you, and so is everybody. Are you ready to not have modern life because traffic deaths of random strangers are necessarily part of the package? This whole situation turns this site into Twitter, another corona victim.

Wow. You seriously think I'm that selfish? Or that I'm any less serious about wanting better for everyone even when it's not on this site? I'm not exactly deprived in my 95 percent home situation, but yes I'll give up whatever i need to if friends family and strangers everywhere survive because of what we do.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Free stuff for everyone enables a level of governmental abuse that makes domestic violence seem tame in comparison. The sad state of affairs is many abused people are gaslighted and brainwashed so they stay with the abuser. These forms of coercive mental conditioning can last a lifetime. It happened to a close friend of mine’s sister. She ended up joining a bizarre religious cult where the leader would find young peo…

> Free stuff for everyone enables a level of governmental abuse that makes domestic violence seem tame in comparison. The sad Please enlighten me. Given for instance the enormeous amount, 6.4 trillion, is spend by the US on wars the last 20 year. That's about 888 million per day, everyday over the last 20 year. And who benefitted? You tell me. Now lets divide that by the number of americans, it comes down to 80,000 d…

> Please enlighten me. Given for instance the enormeous amount, 6.4 trillion, is spend by the US on wars the last 20 year. That's about 888 million per day, everyday over the last 20 year. And who benefitted? You tell me.

The Great Leap Forward killed millions of people. Same in Cambodia. It was based on an ideology that the government will provide everything for you. But your loyalty will determine if you live or die. Even in the case when one was loyal, death could still happen in these brutal regimes.

I agree with you in spirit that we shouldn’t be spending anything on war. Non-interventionism was when America prospered the most. If you just let the free market work and don’t get involved in costly wars, people become productive and there are plenty of jobs.

Your narrow view that those in authority will reward you for loyalty will change one day. Trust me. I just hope on that day, you are willing to do what is necessary when nobody in power will defend you.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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> since you're willing to sacrifice random strangers for your own comfort Come on, so are you, and so is everybody. Are you ready to not have modern life because traffic deaths of random strangers are necessarily part of the package? This whole situation turns this site into Twitter, another corona victim.

Wow. You seriously think I'm that selfish? Or that I'm any less serious about wanting better for everyone even when it's not on this site? I'm not exactly deprived in my 95 percent home situation, but yes I'll give up whatever i need to if friends family and strangers everywhere survive because of what we do.

> I'll give up whatever i need to if friends family and strangers everywhere survive because of what we do.

So a homestead, amish-style, it is?

I do understand the sentiment, but we (as a society and individually) absolutely accept that strangers will die because of how we (as a society and individually) live. We just don't like to speak or think about it, because it's not compatible with our self-image as selfless, hyper-moral beings. But given the choice between a super market nearby and zero traffic deaths in the country, we all know which on we will choose.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Yep, 40% vs 25%: https://kutv.com/news/local/40-of-police-officer-families-ex... https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Police-domestic-viole...

Police officer training to be "dominant" and "be in control of all aspects of the situation" can easily intimidate family members too... Source: Friend of mine is a cop. Since he went through the ~2 year training program, he's become unpleasant to anyone he's in a private space with. Let him have his way, or he'll be very aggressive till he gets it.

> Let him have his way, or he'll be very aggressive till he gets it.

Good grief. That doesn't exactly sound like friendship.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Yep, 40% vs 25%: https://kutv.com/news/local/40-of-police-officer-families-ex... https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Police-domestic-viole...

Police officer training to be "dominant" and "be in control of all aspects of the situation" can easily intimidate family members too... Source: Friend of mine is a cop. Since he went through the ~2 year training program, he's become unpleasant to anyone he's in a private space with. Let him have his way, or he'll be very aggressive till he gets it.

How the heck do cops get along with each-other in a stressful situation, if their training leads them to all feel the need to individually be in control of the same situation?

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Our current society worships victims, but unfortunately your kind of victim is not numerous enough to get mainstream attention.

People don't worship victims, they use victims as means to some end, like attaining political power or social capital. By extension, victims must stay victims to keep fulfilling that purpose.

The ones that use victims use them by making others worship those victims. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it's just an easily observable fact.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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>So nobody dares do anything as they have lost faith in the police and all support. >I have aspergers and have serious PTSD due to years of this abuse and need help getting the truth out there. Here's one uncomfortable fact about our society that most people sort of feel, but don't usually express in words. Despite what people say, nobody gives a damn about others' problems. People will tell you all kinds of kind and…

I have thought this out way more over the years and trust me - the only way forward would be public humiliation from somebody that would traction and with that. I need a reporter who will listen and be listened too. I have 2 years worth of recordings and with that, many examples of police ineptness, abuse.... the lot and nobody takes me seriously. EVen played audio of her dealing, threateneing...and short version, th…

The reporters care about stories that could bring a lot of attention, and hence advertisement. It's their bread and butter and unless they do so, they will be stuck with "utterly shite art remuneration".

In a world that accepts the whole neighborhoods crawling with mentally ill homeless drug addicts (google Downtown Vancouver East Side, or San Francisco Homeless) covering this would hardly be worth the reporter's time, sorry. Seriously, imagine how an article want would look like, and try to find anything similar published recently. Then divide your search results by the estimated number of crack dens in the areas you searched, and you'll find out that your chances of winning a lottery could be higher.

Re: For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity

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Which do you think matters more to a person in an abusive situation? A. Paragraph two of some legal document somewhere B. "If you leave the house, I'll call the cops and tell them you're breaking quarantine, and then you'll go to jail and I'll be the only person who can get you out." I don't disagree with your last paragraph: There are other related issues and maybe some of them are worse. But how this actually plays…

An accusation of domestic abuse would be taken far more seriously than an accusation of "being outside without a reason", I would think. Especially if you're a police officer, trained to respond to domestic violence calls, but never really trained about the seriousness of epidemic management.

Nope. There are many kinds of domestic abuse, most of them leave no proof whatsoever. I'm a very large guy, and if I had tried to say that nobody would have possibly believed me. No matter how true and horrible it was.
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