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Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

Banksy! is that you?

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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This is pure fantasy, who would spend $250m to acquire a stolen painting that they cannot resell? If it really is rich people buying them the purchase price is going to be a fraction of a percent of the amount you're talking about.

When your net worth is in the hundreds of billions, you can spend a couple hundred million to impress your "friends," and many billionaires do. Yeah, it's disgusting, but that's only because the modern global economy allows such disgusting levels of wealth.

The "modern global economy" allows it? I suggest you look up the wealth (adjusted for inflation) of many, many historical business and political figures. Extreme wealth for a few is nothing new and if anything modern global economics and markets have done a massive leveling up of standards of living for many more people who aren't incredibly rich.

That aside, how should something like your subjective notion of "disgusting" levels of wealth guide how much of what they earned people should be able to keep?

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

I adore that people are taking this comment so seriously.

I suspect most people are upvoting because they found it funny (that's why I did). We could all do with a bit of unexpected humor now and then.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

#164

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

This is probably the most heartwarming comment I've read on the web in ages!

If you're not already a fan, might I suggest anything by P.G. Wodehouse. ;)

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

#165
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pure fantasy, who would spend $250m to acquire a stolen painting that they cannot resell? If it really is rich people buying them the purchase price is going to be a fraction of a percent of the amount you're talking about.

When your net worth is in the hundreds of billions, you can spend a couple hundred million to impress your "friends," and many billionaires do. Yeah, it's disgusting, but that's only because the modern global economy allows such disgusting levels of wealth.

You just don't need to spend that much, it would be grossly overpaying.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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I don't disagree with your comment. There are probably collectors who think like that. But I guess most collectors really like to show off their collections. Why having a good art collection if you cannot show it to anyone?

You can just enjoy it for yourself, in a private room. I'm not that much of an art fan, but I'd love to have an authentic Van Gogh in front of my bed. I guess a rich art fan who doesn't care about ethics would be thrilled as well.

At that point is probably not the art that you love, but knowing that you can get a way with stealing a master piece. More like a trophy.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

#167

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

> Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich?

Art is actually a wealth store so that the rich can trade money between themselves without tracking.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

#168

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

Unfortunately, by the time you catch him, the money has vanished into off-shore banks and the painting has moved from one mega-yacht to the next as collateral for trafficking arms, drugs, or flesh.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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What is the end goal for the thieves? Seeing as you obviously can't sell stolen artwork on the open market- how many insanely wealthy private collectors can there be out there, who are willing to risk substantial prison time to own a stolen painting? I think many or most people who have that much money probably made it legally and don't have that kind of risk tolerance. And I doubt many mob boss/Tony Soprano types re…

Interestingly as I understand it part of the point is that by stealing the original you are able to create both better counterfeits and a market for them. Think about it — obviously no one will buy a counterfeit "Starry Night" or whatever if it's hanging in a museum. But if it's stolen, all of a sudden there's the possibility that they can buy the original. Not only that, but the counterfeit, created with extensive a…

It's not that easy to sell counterfeit artwork. Anyone who's paying millions for an artwork will have the painting examined by a specialized consultant. The easiest way to spot a fake is to examine the pigments and whether a particular one was available by the time the artist lived. This is how the Rosales scandal was exposed in 2013.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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The irony in that comment is that one of the Soprano actors is actually an artist (painter) and big art buff and scored big on finding a painting at a dealer that "didn't know what he had".. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/sopranos-actor-discovers-1...

This is the plot of _From the Mixed Up Files of Ms Basil E Frankweiler_

All I remember from that book was that the kids botched seperating their laundry. It was a real snoozer, but it planted a persistent seed of doubt whenever I have to do laundry.
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