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The team behind https://covid19japan.com fights with this nonsense every day. We're open ears to improvements, and are playing with ways to possibly automate bits. Our GitHub: https://github.com/reustle/covid19japan/
I’d be happy to donate scraping capacity to this project. If this is relevant ping me at omar@ domain from my profile.
Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. There's substantive material to discuss here, but you've unfortunately poured firestarter over it (e.g. snark and flamey rhetoric). When people do this, the results are predictable and dismal—especially when the material is flammable to begin with. That's why the site guidelines explicitly ask you not to post this way: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelin…
Dang, question: how is this nationalistic? It seems to me the opposite - it's pointing out the media, Reddit, and this site's blatant (IMO sinophobic) double standard.
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Maybe they could care less? Yes, it's a losing fight. Of course, it's probably more literally true that they could care less, after all, they care enough to post about it on the internet. They probably don't do that for... um... articles about the 1984 Honda Accord after all? Oh English.
Think of "I could go out less", "I could eat less", "I could spend less", etc. All these phrases clearly imply that you're overdoing it now and need to stop. "I could care less", as used, means the opposite, that they don't care almost at all. Your explanation is a retcon.
Of course, if enough people start saying "I could care less" I guess they get to decide what it means. Living languages are literally awesome.
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China has a long, long history of suppressing access to information though. Not just in reporting false data, but also in limiting the press from investigating issues themselves. Are you honestly saying that Japan and the US have a comparable history? > And don't tell me that anything after January was China's fault. It is not like governments around the world didn't know what happened there. Both are possible, and b…
A source on recent press expulsions in China. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/business/media/china-expe...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/washington-sla...
Of course we play it off as being "fair" and setting quotas.
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I don't deal in speculation and rumours sorry. The 2-3% assuming you have medical treatment has held true. The 10+% hospitalization has held true. The lack of response from the US is in no way due to China's reporting, it's due to the US propaganda and incompetence.
> I don't deal in speculation and rumours sorry. But you trust a known liar (the Chinese government)? Sounds like you're a bit biased here. > US propaganda So the US spreads propaganda, but not China? I don't understand how an educated individual could spout this nonsense anywhere. edit: Am I getting downvotes because HN thinks the Chinese government doesn't have a history of lying? Anyone remember Tiananmen Square,…
All governments lie. China isn't special, no matter how desperately you want them to be. And no offense, but you seem quite biased yourself.
> So the US spreads propaganda, but not China?
They both do. You just seem to accept US propaganda as gospel.
> Anyone remember Tiananmen Square, the country of Taiwan, the country of Tibet, or the Uyghur Muslims?
What about it? Why not list the atrocities of both sides?
Using your logic, nobody's data is valid. Now what?
What about korea's data? They have even less deaths than predicted. Are they lying? Is Japan lying? If you have any proof, then provide it rather than posting propaganda - nationalreview, newsweek, etc. Or may I suggest taking a break from reading/watching news/propaganda for a bit. It can be toxic.
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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. There's substantive material to discuss here, but you've unfortunately poured firestarter over it (e.g. snark and flamey rhetoric). When people do this, the results are predictable and dismal—especially when the material is flammable to begin with. That's why the site guidelines explicitly ask you not to post this way: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelin…
> Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. Dang, question: how is this nationalistic? It seems to me the opposite - it's pointing out the media, Reddit, and this site's blatant (IMO sinophobic) double standard.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
Adding snark and flamey rhetoric to generalizations about nations (and group views of nations) is guaranteed to evoke worse from others and put a thread into a downward spiral. The GP spawned 140+ comments, almost 80% of the entire page, and the discussion is between poor and terrible. It's full of mechanical repetition of the same angry things people say everywhere the same trigger comes up ("China is a totalitarian state", "China lied about literally EVERYTHING"). Indignation plus repetition is the worst combo for HN. Meanwhile the other 20% of the discussion on this article is actually not bad. That is the difference between provoking a flamewar vs. not. It's not cool, and the root comment is most responsible for it.
In case it helps, I've spent many hours telling HN users that they can't post inflammatory rhetoric about or against China or Chinese people.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. There's substantive material to discuss here, but you've unfortunately poured firestarter over it (e.g. snark and flamey rhetoric). When people do this, the results are predictable and dismal—especially when the material is flammable to begin with. That's why the site guidelines explicitly ask you not to post this way: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelin…
Unfortunately for you, people have been using neutral language to start daily flame-wars and getting away with it.
If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh man, china would like to have a word with you about that statement.
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> Mass surveillance network Citation needed. Live traffic feeds are common here in the US[1] and other countries. [1] https://transportation.arlingtonva.us/live-traffic-cameras/
"> Mass surveillance network Citation needed." Are you kidding? China's mass surveillance and censorship network is pervasive, all-encompassing, widely publicized, and an intrinsic aspect of their state apparatus. It's not even remotely comparable to 'license plate monitoring' in scale, scope, politicization, repercussions. This level of relativistic rhetoric is anti-intellectual.
Knowing Japan, I bet some poor freshly graduated but elite sod in the health ministry was, out of the blue, told by his boss "here's a bunch of reports from different prefectures. Make a report out of them." So he goes off and try to make sense of the data, which is why you see those magic and unexplained equations in the report. The kicker is the most complex computer thing he ever did in his life was that Word pres…
My mom is responsible for updating all of Los Angeles' numbers. It's literally "someone sent an email with updated new numbers, put them on the government website/in the database". There's no "making sense of the data" phase, just copy, paste, and hope whoever delivered those numbers did it correctly. She described the situation "all hands on deck, extra shifts, and losing staff to sickness daily"; the last thing the…
In the 'old days,' it would be a public number board or chalkboard, but it would be accurate. This is what a lot of ladies in the military or in operational centers would have done.
And definitely nothing wrong with hand-tweaked HTML. I wish sites were basic enough and HTML clear enough that it could be more pervasive.
You can dig up ledgers from 'old-timey' 100-year-old from little stores in the middle of nowhere that were handwritten and perfect. Perfect handwriting, perfectly updated, perfect math (i.e. adds up after corrections).
What matters is that the process is legit, that people are responsible for how the numbers are propagated, and they do it professionally.
It's almost weird to think that people expect that there is a 'robust and specific electronic process' for everything.
The level of organizational planning in WW2 was pretty shocking: all docs, notes, cue-cards, human process.