In addition, sadly there are nearly 0 shelters for men. https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victi...
It's obviously tough to find exact statistics on this, but everything I'm finding suggests that more than 90% of domestic violence is male perpetrators and female victims. If that's true, then wouldn't you expect the overwhelming majority of shelters to be for women?
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#142Estimates are that, if governments do nothing to combat Covid 19, then the life expectancy of the whole population will be reduced by a mere 20 days.[1] Sacrificing 4 months of exercise, meaningful conversation, sex and other basic human needs is really not worth it. [1] For example 13.26 million QALYs divided by the US population https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/another-covid-cost-ben...
All of those things are possible while maintaining social distancing. If you are young, then 4 months is whatever, you have plenty of time left in your life. You are right, the cost/benefit is not there if you care only for yourself and you are not someone who is immune-compromised. The ask is that you consider other people (do you have any family or friends who could die from this?) and even if you have mild or no s…
If teleconferencing was a perfect substitute for face to face meetings, why does the world spend so much every year on office space, commuting to work, hotels, flights etc. ?
I said "and other basic human needs". The article mentioned people that can no longer escape abusive relationships. There's also children who will not see both parents during the lockdown because they are separated.
(Btw, I'm personally sticking 100% to the rules of the lockdown.
I'm just saying the lockdown is interfering with human nature and will become unenforceable)
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#143I'm glad there's starting to be some press about different groups for whom the shutdown has outsized negative impacts. Another such "forgotten" group is Alcoholics Anonymous. Their meetings are mostly canceled, and for a lot of those folks those meetings are what keeps them on the wagon.
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#144Estimates are that, if governments do nothing to combat Covid 19, then the life expectancy of the whole population will be reduced by a mere 20 days.[1] Sacrificing 4 months of exercise, meaningful conversation, sex and other basic human needs is really not worth it. [1] For example 13.26 million QALYs divided by the US population https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/another-covid-cost-ben...
So, forget slowing the epidemic, screw the healthcare workers that'll get the brunt of the caseloads, and the overloaded hospitals, screw the ones who will die in excess of what we can actually prevent, just because you feel it's inconvenient. Thanks for self-identifying. I'll be sure to exclude you from anything I can think of, since you're willing to sacrifice random strangers for your own comfort.
Come on, so are you, and so is everybody. Are you ready to not have modern life because traffic deaths of random strangers are necessarily part of the package?
This whole situation turns this site into Twitter, another corona victim.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Poverty does two things to us: limits our degrees of freedom (available choices) and diminishes our decision-making capacity (a famine/crisis response[1]). In extreme cases, poverty leads to sleep deprivation in which we cannot make even basic rational decisions. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20518805-scarcity
I've been poor most of my life. I don't need to read a book to know that it sucks. I would say that wealth enhances life, not that poverty necessarily diminishes it. The OP's point stands: most people who choose to stay with their abuser are not starving and sleep-deprived to the point of being unable to even have a choice, eh? There's something else going on. (Are there no wealthy people who fail to leave abusers?)…
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s probably because your perception is that it is a derailment.
It's a derailment because the people bringing this up aren't actually organizing towards helping homeless men. These two issues, women's shelters and men's shelters, aren't actually in contradiction with each other but the commenter I was responding to is treating it that way. The reason women's shelters exist is because activists in the 60's and 70's decided to build them and gain support, and eventually fought for…
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#147In addition, sadly there are nearly 0 shelters for men. https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victi...
Good point. It reminds us that it's not only physical violence that counts. Sometimes psychological violence (harassment, blackmailing etc.) is even worse, especially when kids are put in the mix.
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#148I feel like this is a valid concern, but really when it comes to abusive relationships ... a lockdown isn't the problem / aggravating circumstance /etc. I worked with kids who came from abusive / were in abusive families. The volume of abused partners who willingly stayed with the abuser was astonishingly high. They would even follow an abuser from one town to the next, even with services and options to not do so ava…
This is the most HN comment I've seen in a week. You tried not to blame the victim and acknowledge poverty is the trap but then came off as doing that in the context of personal responsibility shaming. Poverty or the fear of poverty is the real decision maker here; the math is as unforgiving as orbital mechanics. And please don't reply, "But there are programs!" Governments and NGOs convince voters and donors that th…
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#149In addition, sadly there are nearly 0 shelters for men. https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victi...
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#150Where I am, the second paragraph of the executive order establishing the "lockdown" explicitly states that victims of domestic violence are exempt and are urged to leave for a safer location. It makes clear further in the order that services provided are considered essential and should remain open and that transportation is also essential and should remain available. The news media simply does a terrible job of commu…
Which do you think matters more to a person in an abusive situation? A. Paragraph two of some legal document somewhere B. "If you leave the house, I'll call the cops and tell them you're breaking quarantine, and then you'll go to jail and I'll be the only person who can get you out." I don't disagree with your last paragraph: There are other related issues and maybe some of them are worse. But how this actually plays…