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Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by StavrosK »

bogomipz wrote: post #59
usaar333 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Well, this jibes with reality. I could care less about actual case counts - few countries are close to having the capacity to test everyone so who cares. What is a huge problem with China is the death statistics. Looking at Lombardy with 6k+ deaths with the outbreak not yet peaked, am I really s…

>"Well, this jives with reality." You want "jibes" here. Jive means to talk nonsense: https://www.grammarbook.com/homonyms/jibe-jive.asp

Plus, "couldn't care less", though I'm fighting a losing fight.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by sosborn »

keiferski wrote: post #29
tinus_hn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, the Japanese justice system has an over 99% conviction rate.

Sure, absolutely the Japanese justice system has some serious problems, just as the American one does. But let's not pretend that they're remotely comparable to the CCP.

> unlikely-to-be-convicted cases

Unfortunately this doesn't mean what people might think it means. "Unlikely-to-be-convicted" doesn't mean much when the police have so many tools available to force confessions, whether the person is guilty or not.

*Not comparing to CCP

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by maallooc »

gruez wrote: post #70
maallooc wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mass surveillance network Citation needed. Live traffic feeds are common here in the US[1] and other countries. [1] https://transportation.arlingtonva.us/live-traffic-cameras/

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So? Having a traffic cam and/or having a traffic cam live feed does not prove that country has a 'mass surveillance network'.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by unsignedchar »

taylodl wrote: post #33
bigpumpkin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These claims have no basis in facts. The case fatality rate varies greatly depends on whether the health capacity is being overwhelmed, because when you don't have enough ICU beds or ventilators, your seriously ill patients cannot live. Lombardy experienced a greater strain on its medical system than Wuhan ever did. China sent 40,000 medical professionals from the rest of the country to Wuhan where has Lombardy had l…

That's interesting. I had not heard that but that raises the question of where did those 40,000 medical professionals practice medicine? Where did China get all their ventilators and PPEs? Did they need them? Once this is all over I hope all the countries get together and compare notes and experiences so we're all better prepared for the next pandemic.

In most of the world, the lack of preparation seems to be more for structural and political reasons than due to lack of knowledge.

NYT had a fascinating story on an effort in the US to scale up production of ventilators, that produced nothing in 14 years

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-v...

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by bogomipz »

fatjokes wrote: post #47
phoenixstrike wrote: post #3

Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

I think the main issue is that the Internet ( especially reddit, and to a lesser extent, HN) is just not a good place for nuanced discussion. China = totalitarian = bad. Any good results are either by luck or a lie. USA = democracy = good. Any bad results are due to incompetence or Trump/Hillary (depending on your leanings). Plenty of people exist in the gray area, but they're not going to be upvoted. Any post in sup…

>" The room tends to go quiet when you mention that this was enabled by their mass surveillance network. (Check out the live streams of their traffic cams!"

I fail to see how live traffic feeds is evidence of their mass surveillance network. The US also has these. NYC and the DoT even broadcast the feeds it on a cable TV channel:

https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/atis.shtml

https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/watching-city-...

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by lainga »

The reason why I used a two day old report on March 29 is simple, there was no full report yesterday nor today. I'm guessing the Tokyo lockdown means that nobody can get to work, and PCs are too expensive to buy for home use so the people at the Ministry of Health can enjoy a nice weekend with hoarded pasta.

How's corporate Japan as a whole doing with remote work?

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by GuB-42 »

usaar333 wrote: post #20
phoenixstrike wrote: post #3

Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Well, this jibes with reality. I could care less about actual case counts - few countries are close to having the capacity to test everyone so who cares. What is a huge problem with China is the death statistics. Looking at Lombardy with 6k+ deaths with the outbreak not yet peaked, am I really s…

China locked down Wuhan much earlier than Italy did. And they did it harder. Totalitarian states have an advantage in situations like that.

The numbers are probably not accurate, but there is no place where the numbers are accurate. Case fatality rates go from less than 1% to more than 10%. In France, on the official website where they give the numbers, it is clearly written "we don't test everyone, the actual number of cases is higher", and deaths are "of COVID-19 patients dying in hospitals". All numbers are made up, because there is no way to know the actual numbers.

And don't tell me that anything after January was China's fault. It is not like governments around the world didn't know what happened there. Maybe the general public wasn't well informed but it is trivial for a government to be aware of an event of such scale. No, China may be to blame for the initial cases, but for the pandemic phase, it is completely our fault.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by neltnerb »

StavrosK wrote: post #71
bogomipz wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Well, this jives with reality." You want "jibes" here. Jive means to talk nonsense: https://www.grammarbook.com/homonyms/jibe-jive.asp

Plus, "couldn't care less", though I'm fighting a losing fight.

Maybe they could care less? Yes, it's a losing fight.

Of course, it's probably more literally true that they could care less, after all, they care enough to post about it on the internet. They probably don't do that for... um... articles about the 1984 Honda Accord after all?

Oh English.

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