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Re: Linux 5.6

#101

Post by hannob »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

I'm sorry this is the impression I created.

Ultimately we're talking about a .0 version here. That's not going to end up in a Linux distro without further testing.

My post was directed to people manually installing latest kernels. That's not what the average "I want a Linux Desktop" user should do. It's targetted for people who tend to play with their systems. It's what they expect.

Re: Linux 5.6

#102

Post by noamelf »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #64
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

I just got a thinkpad x1 carbon and have similar issues with the intel chipset for wifi and audio with newer kernels as well. Only thinkpad over ever had issues with .

I'm also pretty disappointed with x1c7 Linux compatibility. I'm using Ubuntu 19.10 and it's not a smooth ride. I wish Lenovo had a Dell Sputnik like Linux support. Ubuntu 20.04 have been said to have better support.

Re: Linux 5.6

#103

Post by sfilargi »

nextos wrote: post #99
minton wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

Glitches like this are very infrequent if you run well chosen hardware. If you run e.g. an all-Intel setup which is a few months old, it's rare. If you are afraid of things getting broken, simply use NixOS. All upgrades can be easily rolled back, and you can freeze updates of some packages, or get packages through different channels with different stability compromises. I prefer to get everything through rolling rele…

> Glitches like this are very infrequent if you run well chosen hardware.

1 point sample here but I never manage to get reliable WiFi on a NUC6i7KYK. Hardware that should be included in the “well known” category.

Re: Linux 5.6

#104

Post by Hello71 »

paulfurtado wrote: post #95
minton wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

It's pretty atypical to upgrade to the latest mainline linux kernel the day the kernel is released. Most distributions take time to pick up a new kernel and make it part of a major distribution release that is subject to more testing. The OP must be using a bleeding-edge rolling-release distro like Arch Linux or running a custom kernel. I wouldn't anticipate such problems if running a popular release based distro lik…

Arch doesn't even have 5.6 in staging, let alone testing, let alone core. It was released less than 24 hours ago, that's barely enough time for the maintainer to test it on their own machines. No distribution releases a .0 kernel after 12 hours of testing to anybody except people who have explicitly opted into testing. and at that rate, there's a good chance you'll get -rc kernels too, and those are full of bugs (that's why they're -rc).

Re: Linux 5.6

#105

Post by gsnedders »

pmarreck wrote: post #84
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

I've been trying to convert people to various flavors of Linux for 20 years now and the usual showstopper is wifi not working at all, or at least without a ton more fiddling. Interesting to see that some things haven't changed. Trying to be constructive here, might it be because automated testing can't easily test things that touch the "real world"? Or is it due to some sheer number of possible wifi hardware implemen…

> Trying to be constructive here, might it be because automated testing can't easily test things that touch the "real world"?

The Linux kernel still has embarrassingly little automated testing, and what is done is largely done by third-parties.

Re: Linux 5.6

#106

Post by asveikau »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

When I started using Linux in the 90s, especially because I was young and enthusiastic, sure, I would grab tarballs from kernel.org and build them on the day of release.

That is simply not how it works anymore. Your distro vets the kernels. They patch them. They ensure that if that well known Intel wifi bug is still around that the patch is applied (note it already exists!) or better yet already in-tree. A late breaking bug of that nature is not a huge concern for your everyday Linux user.

Re: Linux 5.6

#107

Post by kitotik »

bavell wrote: post #100
kitotik wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is for me on 5.6-rc7. Tried as both a module and built in.

Really hope that's the case for me as well. I've been experiencing unrecoverable gpu hangs on my i915 Skylake chip with recent kernels (5.2-5.5).

Yeap, same here. 5.5 was especially buggy for me, with frequent hangs while under heavy load. So far so good on 5.6.

Re: Linux 5.6

#108

Post by righteous »

nextos wrote: post #99
minton wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

Glitches like this are very infrequent if you run well chosen hardware. If you run e.g. an all-Intel setup which is a few months old, it's rare. If you are afraid of things getting broken, simply use NixOS. All upgrades can be easily rolled back, and you can freeze updates of some packages, or get packages through different channels with different stability compromises. I prefer to get everything through rolling rele…

Sadly even with the latest Thinkpad X1 Carbon this has been a problem for me.

I now keep a copy of the iwl source so I can build and reinstall every time Ubuntu updates and breaks WiFi again.

Re: Linux 5.6

#109

Post by sparrc »

minton wrote: post #91
hannob wrote: post #54

If anyone else - like me - has tried updating the kernel this morning and figured out wifi with an intel card was broken: It seems they broke the iwlwifi driver [1] and here [2] is the patch to fix it. [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net.g...

Being worried about the current trajectory of macOS, I’ve been thinking more and more about Linux and imagining how far it must have come since I last used it in the early 2000s. Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

> Reading things like this really dampen my enthusiasm for trying Linux again.

It shouldn't. If you use a major desktop distribution (ie, Ubuntu) it will be many months before you are actually using kernel 5.6.x.

Re: Linux 5.6

#110

Post by nextos »

sfilargi wrote: post #103
nextos wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glitches like this are very infrequent if you run well chosen hardware. If you run e.g. an all-Intel setup which is a few months old, it's rare. If you are afraid of things getting broken, simply use NixOS. All upgrades can be easily rolled back, and you can freeze updates of some packages, or get packages through different channels with different stability compromises. I prefer to get everything through rolling rele…

> Glitches like this are very infrequent if you run well chosen hardware. 1 point sample here but I never manage to get reliable WiFi on a NUC6i7KYK. Hardware that should be included in the “well known” category.

Sometimes even this fails, what can I say.

Ubuntu runs a certification program. I wish there was an independent party certifying hardware for Linux. And they looked into all the details, such as battery discharge triggering ACPI events, 802.11 functions supported by wireless card and things like that.

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