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Okay, so if I steal from you, it's all fine, because that happened in the past, not in the present? What a weird way to look at the world.
So you're moving back to England leaving the US soil to Indians?
Huawei is in large part built upon technology stolen from Cisco and Canada's Nortel Networks. In the latter case, there is strong evidence China was able to maintain access to Nortel's internal networks for over a decade (!!) which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1] The government of China is systematically hacking corporations through the Ministry of State Security, and attempting to the switch the allegiance…
> stolen from That kind of issue is solved in court with proofs and compensations. Cisco is no small bullied kid and should deal with it without us crying a river about it. They also infringe patents, get caught, pay up settlement fees and continue business as usual. Not going down this route in this specific case makes it look way more dirty on US side IMO. > hacking Cisco has been caught countless times spreading N…
Sure, there's no "clear" ethical split, but just putting both of them into the naughty bin won't do anyone much good. Most of the people on HN don't want anyone spying on them, but that doesn't mean there is no point in clearly stating that Huawei products somehow represent a greater risk than Cisco's overpriced every-year-re-branded legacy junk.
Huawei is in large part built upon technology stolen from Cisco and Canada's Nortel Networks. In the latter case, there is strong evidence China was able to maintain access to Nortel's internal networks for over a decade (!!) which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1] The government of China is systematically hacking corporations through the Ministry of State Security, and attempting to the switch the allegiance…
Who is this China you speak of?
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Hmm, what have we Indians ever destroyed?
Do you really not know your own history? The Indian soldiers were the grunts in the British army. The British promised you riches, if you participated in the raping of China, during the Opium Wars, and you fell for it. The British played you well. And they also payed up. This is why there is a heavy presence of Indians in Hong Kong, and some of them seem to come straight out of the 1800s, as if time stood still for t…
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> stolen from That kind of issue is solved in court with proofs and compensations. Cisco is no small bullied kid and should deal with it without us crying a river about it. They also infringe patents, get caught, pay up settlement fees and continue business as usual. Not going down this route in this specific case makes it look way more dirty on US side IMO. > hacking Cisco has been caught countless times spreading N…
The US gov - despite all the terrible deeds in its short history - builds upon a very strong civil liberties foundation, whereas China is a one-party totalitarian dictatorship. Sure, there's no "clear" ethical split, but just putting both of them into the naughty bin won't do anyone much good. Most of the people on HN don't want anyone spying on them, but that doesn't mean there is no point in clearly stating that Hu…
How would you judge if what they’re doing regarding Huawei is not one of them ? To my knowledge nothing of interest has been put on table as proof or objective justification of the ban at this point.
The point is not if the US gov is better than the Chinese one, it’s how other countries deal with the US gov having a beef against a foreign company.
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>With this reality, why would any government risk allowing Huawei in their networks? Well firstly because the USA does the same thing. Being technologically ahead, it tends to work on giving it's companies an edge over regulators or competition rather than stealing tech. But no one is being fair here. So you're not choosing between a good guy and a bad guy I'm happy to agree the USA is morally less repugnant than Chi…
The choice is not between the United States and China. It's between Sweden (Ericsson), Finland (Nokia) and China (Huawei).
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Saying US has been proven and not Chinese is the real propaganda. China has been caught countless times. Anyone working in network security or Telecom have their China story It is no longer treated with fanfare because unlike US it's is almost common.
Anecdotes of individual cases are not the same as the institutionalized spying and the presidential "oops, won't do it again" once the spying is revealed. I have no doubt that China or Saudi Arabia or Russia and so on have spying programs and there were cases of revealed moles installed in companies but it's nowhere nearly as substantial as US directly plugging into the systems that run globally and running mass surv…
They have the technology. It's only a matter of time and economic expansion to get their stuff into other exchange points.
Huawei is a greater risk than let's say Eriksson or Nokia, because there is nothing to even suggest that they have any safeguards against a future intervention by the NSA or CCP. (And users won't reverse engineer every new firmeware update.)
How greater? Well, it's hard to say.
> I think it's alright, US is no longer the country that stands for something beyond nationalism and most of the Western nations are not covered by that American Nationalism.
Agreed :/
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> the US paved this road in my opinion with massive cuts to education How much has the US cut its education budgets?
It as the worlds highest education budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_spending_...
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The choice is not between the United States and China. It's between Sweden (Ericsson), Finland (Nokia) and China (Huawei).
See William Barr remark on buying controlling share in SE & Nokia if Huawei dominance becomes real, it'll be Crypto AG round 2. Going with SE & Nokia just means maintaining status quo, aka giving US preferential access since they control much of the higher OSI stack. It's a disingenuous argument. In fact the Australian PM has recently confirmed the "conspiracy theory" that the primary concern AU intelligence over Hua…
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Well, no. I agree that average HN reader comes from US, hence your statement is technically valid, but thats about it. I am so fucking fed up with US abusing its power, being a world bully #1 and overall a force of evil in quite a few aspects that actually matter. Yes, China has a bad track record. So does US these days. China didn't literally kill millions of civilians half around the world that didn't harm anybody,…
1 - coming from Belgium, my statement is valid for Europe mostly too. Don't change my statement as you please :) 2 - That's nuts, looking at what China actually does with the data, it's way more dangerous for everyone involved. You are targeting US, but forgetting that China actually has concentration camps ( calling it education doesn't make it better) with millions of people currently in it, ... China is actively b…
OK, so just one random point, China is bullying around. What about citizens of: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Iran, etc. China is bullying Taiwan. Compared to US killing millions of civilians and ruined future for hundreds of millions by its actions. Many wars started without any real cause. How can you even compare this...
But I guess you completely ignore these matters. You ignore NSA spying on every citizen of this planet as long as they do anything, ever online. As an European, you don't really mind being treated as sub-human being by US government on US soil (way less human and civil rights compared to US citizen, if you are suspect of terrorism than this is valid globally). I guess you don't care about Guantanamo. I guess as an European, you don't mind that US is exempt from International tribunal for war crimes in Haague, so companies like Blackwater can basically kill whoever they want.
I have no doubt China might do the same under some theoretical circumstances. But saying who is better and worse is very relative in this topic.