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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by mrtksn »

zobzu wrote: post #49
nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

My personal take is: Huawei belongs to CCP. Korean and US companies do not belong to their governments. This should be an issue by default, in my opinion. That said it's not why I distrust Huawei (not that I trust Google, Cisco, Qualcomm all that much more - but I give them more benefit of the doubt). I don't even care about ATT because if you trust your carrier you're already toast, and I do not know any carrier tha…

Could the reason be that the US and the others have different access to the companies?

The US was caught when somebody blew the whistle, just Google for PRISM, for example. China and others could not have done that, therefore they would do something else. They make and ship hardware, therefore their vector of attack would be expected to be that hardware.

Unlike the US though, I am not aware of any substantial attack that goes beyond speculation. There was supposed to be an IC implemented into Apple and Amazon servers according to Bloomberg but that story was refuted and went nowhere.

So far, in reality, we have proven US surveillance(and Obama was very sorry about it) and speculations about Chinese surveillance.

I am not sure that there's much going on here beyond the propaganda.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

chrischen wrote: post #18

America historically is infamous for making sure that anything besides their system (capitalism, supposedly) fails to work, and taking quite an active approach to make sure it happens. In theory, if you believed you're doing things the right way then you shouldn't have to worry about making sure another system fails (if it doesn't fail, then maybe you were wrong?). This applies as much to startups and their attitudes…

This comment's getting downvoted but I can't really see anything here I disagree with. Would any downvoters like to share an alternative opinion in the interests of discussion?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by DeonPenny »

champagneben wrote: post #28
nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

> the US paved this road in my opinion with massive cuts to education How much has the US cut its education budgets?

It as the worlds highest education budget.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by DeonPenny »

op03 wrote: post #88
nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

It wont change. There is too much inertia. But its not all bad. Maybe in future the West will play to its real strengths - provide entertainment/content, reality tv, sports, celebs and of course porn for those 5G, 6G, 7G...networks. While tech and science moves elsewhere. The best and brightest in science and tech will just move to where ever its happening.

And people are moving to china?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by luckylion »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #96
luckylion wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So anything short of concentration camps is fine? This reads as if COINTELPRO hasn't happened.

The power of humans is that they adapt. Mentioning something of 50 years ago won't help, since I live in the present. Not in the past

Okay, so if I steal from you, it's all fine, because that happened in the past, not in the present?

What a weird way to look at the world.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by amachefe »

mrtksn wrote: post #101
zobzu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal take is: Huawei belongs to CCP. Korean and US companies do not belong to their governments. This should be an issue by default, in my opinion. That said it's not why I distrust Huawei (not that I trust Google, Cisco, Qualcomm all that much more - but I give them more benefit of the doubt). I don't even care about ATT because if you trust your carrier you're already toast, and I do not know any carrier tha…

Could the reason be that the US and the others have different access to the companies? The US was caught when somebody blew the whistle, just Google for PRISM, for example. China and others could not have done that, therefore they would do something else. They make and ship hardware, therefore their vector of attack would be expected to be that hardware. Unlike the US though, I am not aware of any substantial attack…

Saying US has been proven and not Chinese is the real propaganda.

China has been caught countless times. Anyone working in network security or Telecom have their China story

It is no longer treated with fanfare because unlike US it's is almost common.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by LatteLazy »

shasheene wrote: post #83
LatteLazy wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>With this reality, why would any government risk allowing Huawei in their networks? Well firstly because the USA does the same thing. Being technologically ahead, it tends to work on giving it's companies an edge over regulators or competition rather than stealing tech. But no one is being fair here. So you're not choosing between a good guy and a bad guy I'm happy to agree the USA is morally less repugnant than Chi…

The choice is not between the United States and China. It's between Sweden (Ericsson), Finland (Nokia) and China (Huawei).

Didn't Nokia only just announce they had a plan to test somewhere? That puts them pretty far behind Huawei's "we're ready when you are" offering...

Also, cisco and the US gov are pushing their dumb 4G+ option. So you are deciding against the US whatever (true) 5G you buy.

I don't know much about the Ericsson offering. It would be nice to have a non-super power option...

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by blackrock »

eklavya wrote: post #29
thre234324 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Americans might think of East Asians as their slaves, but experience has showed that even the vassals of the US are generally not as hard as the Americans/Europeans would like. This is but a reprisal of the old colonizers running around wrecking Asia to their will; I wonder if India will serve its old role of being the mercenary for destroying Asia again.

Hmm, what have we Indians ever destroyed?

Do you really not know your own history?

The Indian soldiers were the grunts in the British army. The British promised you riches, if you participated in the raping of China, during the Opium Wars, and you fell for it. The British played you well.

And they also payed up. This is why there is a heavy presence of Indians in Hong Kong, and some of them seem to come straight out of the 1800s, as if time stood still for them. Like, they’re a direct lineage from that military past.

The British even made you believe that it was your own fault for the Bengal famine of 1943. That’s how brilliant they were at manipulating you.

Nowadays, they release movies of James Bond, and make you love them, and want to be like them, and forget all about their past transgressions. Their brainwashing propaganda is so subtle and insidious, that it’s brilliant.

Look up the background to George Orwell’s 1984 novel. This was actually about his real life experiences in the British intelligence services in India, and about their incredible brainwashing ability. Where reality is indeed, stranger than fiction.

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