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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by enriquto »

i_have_suffered wrote: post #23
jacobajit wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this rhetoric is a bit over the top. If anything this pandemic is going to buy China goodwill and stature based on their relatively strong posturing on the way out of crisis (vis a vis US) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-us-traditionally-le...

Also they have supplied aid to Italy and Spain (although also screwed up with medical supplies to Spain).

> although also screwed up with medical supplies to Spain

The "screwing up" of medical supplies in Spain is due to the incompetence and corruption of the Spanish government. They tried to arrange directly for the buying of supplies, bypassing the common importation route used by health officials. Unfortunately, and despite the repeated warnings of the Chinese embassy and many hospital managers, they ended up buying the supplies to a non-homologated Chinese startup, so the supplies cannot be used.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by enriquto »

ganzuul wrote: post #10
Roritharr wrote: post #5

China is indeed very divise for our global powerstructures. This Video shows a WHO official battling with this(if you want to look kindly upon him): https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1243889673207832577 What bugs me is that I'm really unsure if I should post anything critical of China, it's scary what that could mean for my family 30 years down the road.

This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

> This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

As much as the anti-China rhetoric is shameful and harmful, the answer to the WHO official to the sincere question about Taiwan also is.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by shasheene »

LatteLazy wrote: post #79
shasheene wrote: post #19

Huawei is in large part built upon technology stolen from Cisco and Canada's Nortel Networks. In the latter case, there is strong evidence China was able to maintain access to Nortel's internal networks for over a decade (!!) which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1] The government of China is systematically hacking corporations through the Ministry of State Security, and attempting to the switch the allegiance…

>With this reality, why would any government risk allowing Huawei in their networks? Well firstly because the USA does the same thing. Being technologically ahead, it tends to work on giving it's companies an edge over regulators or competition rather than stealing tech. But no one is being fair here. So you're not choosing between a good guy and a bad guy I'm happy to agree the USA is morally less repugnant than Chi…

The choice is not between the United States and China.

It's between Sweden (Ericsson), Finland (Nokia) and China (Huawei).

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by Der_Einzige »

ganzuul wrote: post #10
Roritharr wrote: post #5

China is indeed very divise for our global powerstructures. This Video shows a WHO official battling with this(if you want to look kindly upon him): https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1243889673207832577 What bugs me is that I'm really unsure if I should post anything critical of China, it's scary what that could mean for my family 30 years down the road.

This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

Lmfao no. MAD is still here and nuclear weapons didn't just evaporate. No one on either side of the Pacific wants a hot war. Saber rattling over Taiwan once every decade doesn't count because each side knows that the game of chicken won't go all the way.

If there is war with China, life on Earth will end. There is no situation for a war between the USA and China that doesn't end with nuclear annihilation

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by chvid »

danmaz74 wrote: post #35
chvid wrote: post #11

I think the main issue is that most europeans are just not so hot on a war with China as the americans are; even after a massive media campaign. I believe the next move by the US will be to force TSMC not to supply Huawei. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-huawei-tech-chips-exc... That will be a major blow to Huawei (and TSMC) and will force the Chinese to setup their own chip production as fast as possible. Wil…

When the president of the USA openly disparages Europe at every opportunity, it's pretty difficult to feel very sympathetic with the us administration on such matters.

I don't think Americans realise how much diplomatic influence has been lost in Europe.

To me the American tradition of a politicised diplomatic corps is to blame. The politics of Trump is just very far from mainstream European politics.

I am personally convinced that had the campaign against Huawei been done by the Obama administration there would be no Huawei technology in the EU at this point.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by Lio »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #73
saiya-jin wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, no. I agree that average HN reader comes from US, hence your statement is technically valid, but thats about it. I am so fucking fed up with US abusing its power, being a world bully #1 and overall a force of evil in quite a few aspects that actually matter. Yes, China has a bad track record. So does US these days. China didn't literally kill millions of civilians half around the world that didn't harm anybody,…

1 - coming from Belgium, my statement is valid for Europe mostly too. Don't change my statement as you please :) 2 - That's nuts, looking at what China actually does with the data, it's way more dangerous for everyone involved. You are targeting US, but forgetting that China actually has concentration camps ( calling it education doesn't make it better) with millions of people currently in it, ... China is actively b…

I'm not American but given the choice I'd go with America over China any day.

Here's why: You can't make jokes about Xi Jinping's hair on a Chinese website. Where as if you want to laugh at Trump's ridiculous bouffant on an American site have at it.

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Post by rfoo »

zobzu wrote: post #56
systemvoltage wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chilling effect is very real. Beware everyone. Where is the press over this?

Interestingly a good part of the western press is pro-China. Just look at the COVID-19 coverage. We now know China lied on numbers (not that I think anyone here doubted of that), but western press was happy to push the narrative that China handled it so well (nvm the fact that they let it out to other countries to begin with). What do they gain from this? I don't know. It's definitely not the first time i see this.

Have you ever considered that "China lied on numbers" might also be part of the narrative the western press pushed?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by op03 »

nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

It wont change. There is too much inertia. But its not all bad.

Maybe in future the West will play to its real strengths - provide entertainment/content, reality tv, sports, celebs and of course porn for those 5G, 6G, 7G...networks.

While tech and science moves elsewhere.

The best and brightest in science and tech will just move to where ever its happening.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by luckylion »

zobzu wrote: post #49
nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

My personal take is: Huawei belongs to CCP. Korean and US companies do not belong to their governments. This should be an issue by default, in my opinion. That said it's not why I distrust Huawei (not that I trust Google, Cisco, Qualcomm all that much more - but I give them more benefit of the doubt). I don't even care about ATT because if you trust your carrier you're already toast, and I do not know any carrier tha…

> What does bother me is that we caught other countries several times, sometimes using terribly bad tactics (where the defense was bad for various reasons that are usually also bad) and sometimes using relatively novel stuff that we'd never see before.

What are you trying to say, that sometimes they are reading a "how to hack a computer" guide and try admin/admin and sometimes Huawei is supplying 0days to them?

As for NSA or similar US agencies: why would they hack US companies? They just send a friendly letter, attach a check for the inconvenience and have the companies build them a surveillance room.

Outside the US, TAO is a thing. And when they get caught, you better have definite proof before you say that you believe it's them, because that might have severe consequences for you personally, your company and the international relations of your country.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by NicoJuicy »

matsemann wrote: post #78
NicoJuicy wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one in the West will put you in concentration camps for having your opinion. They won't censor it also

No one in China will put me in a camp either, as I don't live or travel there. Which is my point. Not saying usa will put me in a camp, but currently they have more options to screw me over. (and us do put children in camps) It may be a bit hyperbole. But I just don't want to be so quick to accept the narrative that west=good east=bad

I'm not saying the east is bad. Don't change my words, jees!

If you haven't noticed. The protests in Hong Kong are related to the extradiction law from China that was forced on to them. And yes, people already disappeared.

And finally, if you want a statement, it's that democracy leads to a fairer society and communism leads to abuse of power.

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