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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by paul7986 »

echelon wrote: post #16
chrischen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When this is all over, I hope every county tallies the bill for the virus and subtracts that from their debt to China. They lied, hid information, and told us to keep travel open while simultaneously welding people inside their homes. It's worse than negligent, and they should lose their investments overseas to repay the damage done. I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China.…

> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

China looks to be bouncing back ... how bad has COVID affected their economy vs. all other economies? Is COVID going to help them in the global economy? If so, I wouldn't put it past China as unleashing this virus on the world purposely.

Before COVID China had SARS. Why are these virus all coming from there?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by mrighele »

i_have_suffered wrote: post #23
jacobajit wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this rhetoric is a bit over the top. If anything this pandemic is going to buy China goodwill and stature based on their relatively strong posturing on the way out of crisis (vis a vis US) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-us-traditionally-le...

Also they have supplied aid to Italy and Spain (although also screwed up with medical supplies to Spain).

They also screwed up (faulty masks and/or test) at the minimum with Netherlands, Czech Republic and Turkey.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by redis_mlc »

millstone wrote: post #15

How is it that the west allowed Huawei to gain such a lead in 5G? If this has national security implications, why didn't the US support its domestic telecom firms?

The US, outside of the military, has a failure to make policy, whereas China has very clear development policies.

Why is that?

The US is led mainly by lawyers, where facts are debatable, whereas most of China's leaders are STEM graduates.

Thus China has constructed around 50 new cities and airports in the past couple of decades, while the US literally can't dig a tunnel from one side of Central Expressway in Mountain View or Palo Alto to the other.

The most egregious failure of US leadership is the corona virus crisis in hospitals. But you could say the same about infrastructure, or just about any other public policy.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by rumanator »

ganzuul wrote: post #10
Roritharr wrote: post #5

China is indeed very divise for our global powerstructures. This Video shows a WHO official battling with this(if you want to look kindly upon him): https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1243889673207832577 What bugs me is that I'm really unsure if I should post anything critical of China, it's scary what that could mean for my family 30 years down the road.

This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

I for one am surprised that anyone who is aware of some of the actions perpetrated by China's ruling regime with regards to their handling of the covid19 outbreak feels that they don't warant any criticism, and tried to pin any criticism on conspiracy theories involving troll farms and beating war drums.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by danmaz74 »

chvid wrote: post #11

I think the main issue is that most europeans are just not so hot on a war with China as the americans are; even after a massive media campaign. I believe the next move by the US will be to force TSMC not to supply Huawei. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-huawei-tech-chips-exc... That will be a major blow to Huawei (and TSMC) and will force the Chinese to setup their own chip production as fast as possible. Wil…

When the president of the USA openly disparages Europe at every opportunity, it's pretty difficult to feel very sympathetic with the us administration on such matters.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by redis_mlc »

nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

> Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was.

Yes, it's a national security issue.

The rest of your post is nonsense as well.

And by the way, you forgot to mention that "a chinese CFO" is related to the president of Huawei, a member of the PLA.

You can always spot the Huawei apologists because they never seem to mention the PLA connection.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by murderfs »

echelon wrote: post #16
chrischen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When this is all over, I hope every county tallies the bill for the virus and subtracts that from their debt to China. They lied, hid information, and told us to keep travel open while simultaneously welding people inside their homes. It's worse than negligent, and they should lose their investments overseas to repay the damage done. I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China.…

> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

> China had an obligation to its citizens and to the world. The CCP decided they didn't care if the virus went worldwide. That's homicide, and they should pay for making people whole again.

I'm no fan of the CCP, but this is ridiculous. In your hypothetical world where China takes action to prevent this, what would they have done? The common reaction from public health professionals to the Hubei lockdown was that it was unprecedented and was unlikely to work (e.g. [1]). Are you saying that it's reasonable to expect them to have done more, sooner?

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/unprecedented-chinese-...

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by guacamole4 »

nimbius wrote: post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

This post is arguing that US is extremely behind in technological advancement because of historically insufficient focus on STEM education. However one might argue that US isn't actually that weak when it comes to tech. There are a good number of technology companies and research that came out of the US in the past 50 years.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Post by buzzlair »

kasperni wrote: post #20

So the US preaches nationalism, protectionism, and isolationism except when it's not in their own interest? Edit: My point (which probably wasn't clear) was that if you run an "America First" agenda. Don't be surprised when your allies start prioritizing their own interest above mutual interests.

shouldnt be a surprice bro. they have been doing this for decades but still under the pretense of the opposite. protecting marketshare, by bringing up national security as excuse is no surprise move.
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