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From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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The UK only needs low skilled workers for soft fruit that need to be hand picked. It's fine with every other crop. Maybe farmers should just switch to those. Cheap "British" strawberries are not worth the workes' abuse and low pay.

I suspect we'll see a return to "pick your own" that used to be prevalent before Eastern Europe opened up.

There are still lots of PYO strawberry fields around where I live (north east UK). They didn't go away.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Thank you for both having the foresight to plan(t) as well as the willingness to help those around you. Otherwise you could end up like my neighbor with a strategic reserve level of toilet paper, proud to hoard yet share with no one even when the stores are empty.

I really do not understand this toilet paper thing. I mean as long as there is water, why people do not wash their asses. It is cleaner anyway... When I was young and we visited grandparents, we used newspaper.

That’s what I’ve always said. If you smeared a bit of poop on your face or arm, you wouldn’t be content with just wiping it down with a thin piece of toilet paper. You’d probably shower!

So why should your ass be any different?

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Got a butternut squash in your pantry? Maybe a couple of tomatoes? Cook it up for dinner and save some seeds! Wash off the pulp and dry them out on a paper towel. It's not too late to start some seedlings, and it's a nice way to pass the time. I've also been experimenting with different dried beans that we stocked up on, and most of them have a pretty high germination rate. Roma beans are super tasty and high in prot…

The 'preppers' have amassed quite a bit of info on preparing for just such an outcome; I'd definitely recommend hearing them out. The govt. IMO really can't be trusted at a time like this. Reporting from here in India, the overreaction of the state has thrown a wrench into the workings of an, admittedly broken, food supply system.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Got a butternut squash in your pantry? Maybe a couple of tomatoes? Cook it up for dinner and save some seeds! Wash off the pulp and dry them out on a paper towel. It's not too late to start some seedlings, and it's a nice way to pass the time. I've also been experimenting with different dried beans that we stocked up on, and most of them have a pretty high germination rate. Roma beans are super tasty and high in prot…

"Potatoes are easy to get started but can be a little finicky with soil conditions." mm have you tried fertilizing with poop?

San Francisco just became the fertilizer capital of the world.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Unfortunately life expectancy and quality of life is very strongly correlated to GDP. I’m not saying we can’t live without money, or anything like that. But modern society strongly relies on complex economies for even basic functions like food supply. The health of that economy can be roughly measured using GDP, a significant drop in GDP (such as a depression) strongly suggest that economy isn’t healthy, and then the…

The evidence is not nearly as clearcut as you suggest and periods of economic decline are actually associated with lowered mortality rates.

Past periods of economic decline have very different root causes than our current scenario. I don't think this is an apples to apples comparison.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Got a butternut squash in your pantry? Maybe a couple of tomatoes? Cook it up for dinner and save some seeds! Wash off the pulp and dry them out on a paper towel. It's not too late to start some seedlings, and it's a nice way to pass the time. I've also been experimenting with different dried beans that we stocked up on, and most of them have a pretty high germination rate. Roma beans are super tasty and high in prot…

To add, if like me you don’t have a “green thumb”, know that it’s not a terminal condition. I found the book by Kevin Espiritu to be pretty good at giving a crash course and practical advice on how to grow edibles. And it doesn’t take much: 5 gallon buckets, perlite, compost, loam, and you’re in business.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Without paper moving, other things, like goods, can't move efficiently enough to feed 8B of the population.

This was true and tested before IT.

If "before IT" is something like 1960, them, well, the world population was 3B. Also check the levels of deaths from starvation and from infectious diseases, and the cost of food.

No, moving the right "papers" with high speed has made a serious difference.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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I'm downvoting this because it's a huge claim without adequate evidence. Feel free to cite some sources showing what % of harvests have been missed, etc, and I'll change my downvote.

Migrants can't make it to harvests because countries/states are locked down. Isn't that literally in the article? There won't be any sources for a while because this is literally just starting. I mean 3billion people are on lockdown of some sort globally right now. Not hard to imagine it may be hard for workers to get to farms across borders, or even within borders. CA alone will probably see a shortage of migrants.…

All we need to do is create an app to pick produce on demand, i.e. the Uber of migrant labor. All the hipsters in SF will flock to the central valley for gig work in the fields - problem solved. (I'm only half kidding. If lots of people are out of jobs and there are lots of jobs without people to fill them, it seems like a no brainer, yes?)

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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I really do not understand this toilet paper thing. I mean as long as there is water, why people do not wash their asses. It is cleaner anyway... When I was young and we visited grandparents, we used newspaper.

That’s what I’ve always said. If you smeared a bit of poop on your face or arm, you wouldn’t be content with just wiping it down with a thin piece of toilet paper. You’d probably shower! So why should your ass be any different?

I use my face and my arm to engage with people, and prepare and eat food. I don't generally use my arse for these activities.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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I really do not understand this toilet paper thing. I mean as long as there is water, why people do not wash their asses. It is cleaner anyway... When I was young and we visited grandparents, we used newspaper.

That’s what I’ve always said. If you smeared a bit of poop on your face or arm, you wouldn’t be content with just wiping it down with a thin piece of toilet paper. You’d probably shower! So why should your ass be any different?

It's different because I don't use my ass to open doors, type on computers, prepare/eat food, or scratch my eye. Your face and arms, however, get involved in those activities sooner or later. I don't care if my poop cannon has a bit of residue around the rim that paper can't quite remove, handling shit is literally what it does every day, and it's otherwise stowed away safely.

Granted, I bet a warm-water bidet feels fantastic and I would probably never go back if I had one.

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