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Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by billfruit »

JimTheMan wrote: post #33

I mean, I can't speak to how widespread the news is but Australia and NZ have already closed their borders to all foreigners. Europe has done the same, Peru etc etc. Should come as no surprise to anyone that Japan has done the same. If anything it has done it very late in the game. Majority of the spread for unaffected countries is going to be inbound from the outside... In Australia, the inbound cases for corona fro…

That is good insight regards US numbers. I hope an estimate can be made of US numbers from the number of US arrivals in other countries who turned out positive.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by quelltext »

needle0 wrote: post #19
duxup wrote: post #3

Seems like a logical decision. Japan has managed to avoid a massive outbreak so far.

Not anymore. Tokyo is already [edit: entered the hockey-stick part of] an exponential trajectory as of around 5 days ago. https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en Every press conference ending with Koike (Tokyo governor) or Abe (PM) babbling along with no material countermeasures being announced has been making me feel all the more dreadful. They needed to have already shut down everything long ago. We will be joinin…

That's more cases for sure over the last few days, but it's not exponential growth (yet). Sure, it's likely going to grow like that, but the recent data isn't evidence for it.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by vkou »

strictnein wrote: post #61
vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

The US is currently testing ~100k people each day: https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/ The failure at the beginning was not to have capacity ready. The huge US medical system and its very, very large medical industry has finally gotten pointed in the right direction in regards to testing.

> The US is currently testing ~100k people each day:

Given how many people are still sharing their stories of "I am symptomatic, and I can't get tested, because I'm not literally dying in hospital", I daresay, we are not doing a good enough job of it.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by ehnto »

yurlungur wrote: post #22
ridewinter wrote: post #4

Not too long ago a headline like this would be absolutely massive news. Now it barely even registers. Crazy times...

I wonder if this pandemic will have long lasting effects on international travel. It seems possible that going into the future stricter health screening may become routine and certain travel restrictions may stay in place for a prolonged period of time. Same goes for certain other measures I guess.

Some airports already checked your temperature on entry. It might become more common now.

With all we know about our citizens I would love to see a wordlwide pandamic prevention travel policy that isn't activated but rather part of the fabric of travel. It could be automatic to start screening and potentially banning travel from somewhere reporting an outbreak.

Instead we had to wait for all the dominoes to fall and the lethargic arm of bureaucracy to move into action.

With a more rapid and precise response we might be able to avoid huge shutdowns like we have been seeing.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by jdkee »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #165
jdkee wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is responding to the crisis in his state. He is: 1. Publicly acknowledging the factual state on the ground. 2. Explaining what his administration is doing to combat the crisis, including his asks from the Feds for his foreseeable needs. 3. Calling up retired healthcare workers to address a soon to be overtaxed medical situation. 4. Attempting to prevent panic as NY state and NYC are the U.S. epicenter of this emer…

> What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue? The ones I cited in the comment you replied to. China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea. Like, I honestly can't think how Cuomo could do worse without actively trying to. He is observing the situation and doing all the obvious things any right-thinking person would, if they were totally unable to make any predictions, had no expert advisers, and w…

Apart from those examples cited:

1. Are relatively homogeneous populations, unlike say NYC. 2. Have a long term behavioural and a culture of wearing masks in public due to pollution and recent experiences of epidemics such as SARS or MERS. 3. Are relatively authoritarian societies unlike the free-wheeling freedoms that U.S. citizens experience.

Why would you use them as counterexamples to what the U.S. population should adapt to in short course? It is almost as if you picked the populations that are accustomed to social controls and regular mask wearing, which is very effective, and use that as a dig against a novel approach being applied to the U.S. or indeed the rest of the world outside Asia as being the norm.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by nl »

whymauri wrote: post #8
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

This restriction ("The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States.") isn't the restriction on entry that the headline is about.

This is an existing restriction which requires self-isolation:

The government had already started moving from March 26 to restrict entry for those entering from anywhere in the United States.

The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States.

All new arrivals are required to self-quarantine themselves for two weeks at their homes or hotels and other accommodation under provisions laid down by the head of the local quarantine office.

The new restriction applies to "all foreign nationals travelling on U.S. passports or who have been in the United States for the past two weeks."

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by vkou »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #88
vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

Control measures are supposed to take place on an inconsistent, fragmented basis - American states have significant independent sovereignty.

This is a cross-state issue. Unless we close state borders, inept handling of the outbreak by one state endangers the rest.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by threeseed »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #109
JimTheMan wrote: post #33

I mean, I can't speak to how widespread the news is but Australia and NZ have already closed their borders to all foreigners. Europe has done the same, Peru etc etc. Should come as no surprise to anyone that Japan has done the same. If anything it has done it very late in the game. Majority of the spread for unaffected countries is going to be inbound from the outside... In Australia, the inbound cases for corona fro…

I don't fault Japan for closing their borders to the US. The US's response to the pandemic is frightening. Federal leadership appears to be focused on denial while setting things up to fix the blame on their political opponents when it all goes sideways. Leaving everything up to state and local governments. Some of which are just as bad as the executive branch.

Trump has also indicated that he is going to refuse to comply with oversight requirements for the corporate bailout fund in the recent stimulus bill.

Makes you wonder if he's more concerned with bailing out his struggling Trump hotels than the coronavirus.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by m3at »

enchiridion wrote: post #166
foobarbecue wrote: post #153

Part of 3 Blue 1 Brown's excellent latest video simulates travel restrictions and suggests they're not very effective: https://youtu.be/gxAaO2rsdIs?t=777 . However, that was only for cutting travel between all communities by a factor of 4, rather than completely banning travel between two particular communities / countries.

Do you mind giving a tldw on what effective measures look like?

Watched it, no surprise regarding effective measures:

- Good hygiene, especially after going to relatively crowded areas, ex. your local grocery

- Reduce the frequency of commute to said areas

- Social distancing

The video is worth a watch though, I would recommend it if you can spare the 25min.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by 34679 »

brigandish wrote: post #83
verroq wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obvious that wearing a mask helps. > Don't wear a mask because they don't work > Doctors and nurses need masks because they work > ??? If anything, it prevents/reduces asymptomatic people from spreading.

You can tell me in 2 weeks time if that's true when the number of actual cases is impossible for the government to deny any more. As to the masks, in a clinical setting: - clinicians will likely get much closer to someone - patients are much more likely to have an infection - masks are worn properly - masks are disposed of properly - the wearers have had extensive training and experience They don't, as a salaryman mi…

Nobody uses the same arguments for handwashing, even though they would apply. It sounds like education is what's lacking, aside from masks.
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