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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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penagwin wrote: post #36
yurlungur wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this pandemic will have long lasting effects on international travel. It seems possible that going into the future stricter health screening may become routine and certain travel restrictions may stay in place for a prolonged period of time. Same goes for certain other measures I guess.

As a potential counter point - pandemics are generally rare. And are hard to test at airports for until it's too late. Also you can't test for every disease, especially new ones. The best you could do is a several week quarantine on all incoming travelers I would think?

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by jdkee »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #151
jdkee wrote: post #144

I have been watching the Cuomo NYS briefings for the past two weeks. This is what leadership looks like. He fucked up early with the "we won't shut down the economy" bit but has come around. Similarly, Gov. Pritzker of Illinois has been on top of this, apart from his fuckup of allowing the primary elections to to go through putting people on top of each other to maintain a regular election cycle. Mike DeWine has been…

Cuomo is what talking a big talk looks like. Leadership is SK, Taiwan, S'pore, and yes, even China. Solving problems is leadership. Posturing is something else, and it's what Cuomo's been doing.

He is responding to the crisis in his state. He is:

1. Publicly acknowledging the factual state on the ground. 2. Explaining what his administration is doing to combat the crisis, including his asks from the Feds for his foreseeable needs. 3. Calling up retired healthcare workers to address a soon to be overtaxed medical situation. 4. Attempting to prevent panic as NY state and NYC are the U.S. epicenter of this emergency by calling in federal resources to address the apex of cases in his jurisdiction.

What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue?

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by idlewords »

miguelmota wrote: post #132

No surprise here; Americans aren't taking as seriously as they should while Japanese people are very clean and highly protective of their health. Hopefully people are still allowed to go back to Japan if that's where their home is and only travel for pleasure or business is banned.

Japanese people are also not taking this very seriously. People in Kyoto and Tokyo were out in large numbers last weekend, no social distancing measures visible.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

triceratops wrote: post #155
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important for the president to communicate the message that lockdowns are bad and they're trying to get people out of their homes as soon as possible. I don't think anyone believes the president is actually going to pack churches on Easter if there's still a large outbreak at the time, but that'll be 4 weeks after the national stay at home initiative started, so it's pretty in line with the durations other count…

> It's important for the president to communicate the message that lockdowns are bad Why? I think we can all figure out by ourselves that lockdowns aren't fun. The people losing their jobs don't need to be told that - they have better experience than anyone else. Leadership means communicating difficult truths and convincing people to do the right thing even when it's unpleasant.

In order to effectively communicate difficult truths and convince people to do the right thing, you have to acknowledge their pain and present a plan for ending it. To just say "you have to lock down, too bad so sad" would be incredibly cruel and ineffective.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

jdkee wrote: post #162
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cuomo is what talking a big talk looks like. Leadership is SK, Taiwan, S'pore, and yes, even China. Solving problems is leadership. Posturing is something else, and it's what Cuomo's been doing.

He is responding to the crisis in his state. He is: 1. Publicly acknowledging the factual state on the ground. 2. Explaining what his administration is doing to combat the crisis, including his asks from the Feds for his foreseeable needs. 3. Calling up retired healthcare workers to address a soon to be overtaxed medical situation. 4. Attempting to prevent panic as NY state and NYC are the U.S. epicenter of this emer…

> What counter examples can you cite as a better response to this issue?

The ones I cited in the comment you replied to. China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea.

Like, I honestly can't think how Cuomo could do worse without actively trying to. He is observing the situation and doing all the obvious things any right-thinking person would, if they were totally unable to make any predictions, had no expert advisers, and were limited to reacting to only a point in time snapshot of reality.

The only reason he doesn't look like the biggest disaster of governance in the history of the state is because both the guy above (Trump) and the guy below (De Blasio) are even more foolish. Anchoring effect at work, nothing more.

Results matter. And the results are that this state already has nearly twice as many cases per capita as Italy, which is a widely acknowledged catastrophe. And we're way behind them on implementing lockdown.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by enchiridion »

foobarbecue wrote: post #153

Part of 3 Blue 1 Brown's excellent latest video simulates travel restrictions and suggests they're not very effective: https://youtu.be/gxAaO2rsdIs?t=777 . However, that was only for cutting travel between all communities by a factor of 4, rather than completely banning travel between two particular communities / countries.

Do you mind giving a tldw on what effective measures look like?

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by pwg »

brigandish wrote: post #60
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #47

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

I don't know how many times this is going to come up on these page but this is unsupported by any study for the kind of masks people actually wear and for a non-clinical setting, and anyone who has spent any time here will know it's rubbish. Just last night my wife was telling me about a conversation with her work colleagues about masks. She wears one per day, one to work and the same one for the way home - this is a…

We need #masks4all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoDwXwZXsDI

An actual data scientist looks at research he was able to dig up.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by [deleted] »

billfruit wrote: post #160
JimTheMan wrote: post #33

I mean, I can't speak to how widespread the news is but Australia and NZ have already closed their borders to all foreigners. Europe has done the same, Peru etc etc. Should come as no surprise to anyone that Japan has done the same. If anything it has done it very late in the game. Majority of the spread for unaffected countries is going to be inbound from the outside... In Australia, the inbound cases for corona fro…

Atlest they didn't close borders to their own citizens, that's what some countries have done, and I feel is a terrible thing to do, closing doors on one's own nationals.

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by Legogris »

paulhodge wrote: post #126
refurb wrote: post #80

Japan is not anywhere close to the first to do this. Many countries in SE Asia have pretty much banned any foreigner from entering. If you are a foreign resident, you go into quarantine for 2 weeks.

The fact that Japan is only banning US travelers, instead of banning all foreigners, is pretty newsworthy.

If anything, it's remarkable that US wasn't already banned together with Schengen countries last week.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

rsynnott wrote: post #158
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important for the president to communicate the message that lockdowns are bad and they're trying to get people out of their homes as soon as possible. I don't think anyone believes the president is actually going to pack churches on Easter if there's still a large outbreak at the time, but that'll be 4 weeks after the national stay at home initiative started, so it's pretty in line with the durations other count…

Some countries have said they’ll re-evaluate around the middle of April. Generally in the sense of potentially easing very strict lockdowns of the ‘“don’t go outside your house except to the supermarket unless you’re essential personnel” variety. Nowhere else but the US is claiming that as an end date, as far as I know.

Every national government I'm aware of has officially set a hard end date for their lockdown measures, even if they're unofficially pretty sure things will be extended. Even Italy and Spain.
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