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From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by banmeagaindan2 »

cma wrote: post #120
banmeagaindan2 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not need to be most Americans and a lot of office workers would prefer to be farmers if the wage were correct. We have markets - let the prices rise and we will see more farmers in the future. E; I know it is not your theory Doreen - but it is a popular species of liberal (meaning democrat + republican) political propaganda. Everything Moravec's Paradox ever said, everything Peter Thiel ever said about automa…

Thiel also said companies shouldn’t have big cash reserves because it is a sign of running out of ideas.

Hello Slow Ban my old friend.

For growth technology firms that is true - I remember his debate with Eric Schmidt - he was really arguing being a technology firm should be a temporary award contingent on how the firm behaves instead of a title. Technologies mature into infrastructure and stop being thought of as technologies.

This is part of his thesis that technology companies should be monopoly companies - and that the regulator should treat companies like Google as monopolies but the companies producing new value should be classified as different and given a honeymoon period.

His pointing at a technology rust belt is evocative evidence for the position.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by Noumenon72 »

dheera wrote: post #114
Noumenon72 wrote: post #62

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We want information about the pandemic, don't we? If we do not pay for it, all we will get is what people figure out in their spare time while confined to their homes. Without paywalls, we would just have Kickstarters like "If everyone who wants to know whether farmers are able to produce fresh fruit gives me $5, I will go and ask them!" You can always get the information by word of mouth or waiting. The amount you'r…

I disagree, I think when it comes to a pandemic or any other public safety issue, immediate access to information should be free. FWIW NYT has disabled the paywall on all their articles about coronavirus (although there's still a loginwall). We shouldn't be putting prices on human lives.

If the NYT gives it for free, that means you should read the NYT, not steal from people who don't give it for free.

Putting prices on human lives is a good idea. We do it for food, we do it for car safety, we do it for relative risk analysis. Putting a price on groceries means the government can subsidize food fairly, rather than having individuals break the locks on the grocery stores and say "food should be free".

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by scanr »

Fruit and veg 'will run out' unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from eastern Europe. UK urgently needs 90,000 labourers to pick crops that will otherwise die in the fields, warns charity.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-an...

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by [deleted] »

klenwell wrote: post #65
BurningFrog wrote: post #13

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I'm guessing they have little contact with other groups, so they're probably fine until the virus gets in there, and then it goes very bad very quickly. Disclaimer: I don't have any relevant expertise, and comment on forums because I'm bored in virus lockdown...

> Disclaimer: I don't have any relevant expertise, and comment on forums because I'm bored in virus lockdown... Lol. This should be a Surgeon General warning required to be attached to every online comment. To wit: SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: The overwhelming majority of users making online comments likely do not have any relevant expertise and comment on forums because they derive personal satisfaction from commentin…

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Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by catalogia »

scanr wrote: post #233

Fruit and veg 'will run out' unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from eastern Europe. UK urgently needs 90,000 labourers to pick crops that will otherwise die in the fields, warns charity. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-an...

Why have eastern europeans do the work instead of the normal workers? It's not like eastern europeans have any special resistance to corona, nor are their lives worth less.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by muro »

llampx wrote: post #26
partingshots wrote: post #4

Doesn’t the Netherlands export the majority of Europe’s fresh food? As long as the supply chain doesn’t break down, I don’t see how it would be possible for Spain and Germany to run out of food. Especially since they’re all in the EU, even if the Netherlands wanted to close off their borders, there’s no way they really could.

I'm not sure what you mean by countries in the EU not being able to close their borders, they can.

They can and recently did.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by gdubs »

pascalxus wrote: post #17
Zenst wrote: post #2

Hopefully this may incentivize people to be a bit more self-sufficient. Gardens that you grow your own, allotments - the mentality of that has been driven away over decades and now people are starting to smell the roses and realize they can't eat them. So in many avenues - complacency gets highlighted more and I'm sure many and much will change on the back of this period in time. Overall I'd say for the better. Certa…

It's sad, but here in CA, most people don't have yards and there's nowhere to grow food. It's especially dumb because there's miles and miles of undeveloped land everywhere (at least in the east bay suberbs), not being used for anything in particular except maybe some farms with cows on it: I'm sure they're taking advantage of huge tax wholes because they're sitting on land that would cost 10s of millions of dollars…

Just FYI that if you’re in Northern California I believe that Mission Trail or whoever has a centralized compost where you can pick up what you need. In normal times, at least. I’d imagine that service is currently shut down, but worth checking.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by rjsw »

rjsw wrote: post #124
DoreenMichele wrote: post #104

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You might try searching the term "Netherlands feeds the world" and perusing the many articles that turn up and perhaps reassess your ideas about the Netherlands.

You are on a different continent, we can just look at the labels on food to see where it comes from.

We also get to see the trucks carrying the food. Go on any French autoroute and 2 out of 3 of the trucks will be from Spain.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Post by soperj »

catalogia wrote: post #236
scanr wrote: post #233

Fruit and veg 'will run out' unless Britain charters planes to fly in farm workers from eastern Europe. UK urgently needs 90,000 labourers to pick crops that will otherwise die in the fields, warns charity. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-an...

Why have eastern europeans do the work instead of the normal workers? It's not like eastern europeans have any special resistance to corona, nor are their lives worth less.

Yep, they wanted brexit, now live with it.
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