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Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by gowld »

windexh8er wrote: post #203
nexuist wrote: post #62

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I don't want to live in a world where my parents and grandparents are expected to pull up Wireshark to figure out if the app they're using will record their front camera without consent. Blaming Zoom and FB is entirely acceptable here, it is their responsibility to keep my data private. Blaming Apple? Why, when Zoom is on the Play Store as well? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=us.zoom.videom... >As long…

>Surely there are open source video chat solutions already? They haven't taken off for one simple reason: video hosting is expensive. It's quite literally one of the most intensive network activities you can partake in, rivaling torrenting. There are, as you state OSS solutions [0]. But the video hosting is not akin to Torrenting. Most people are fine with 720p quality video as you're not "watching" the participants…

> Most people are fine with 720p quality video as you're not "watching" the participants like a movie.

Most people are fine with 720p movies too.

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by lultimouomo »

zapzupnz wrote: post #186
lultimouomo wrote: post #152

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Alphabetical order is neither mandated by any rule, nor deterministic since you can choose how to call things. "Application Bundle Identifier" made it to the top of the list, but if it was "iOS Application Bundle Identifier" it would be below the Advertiser ID. Do you really think they prepared a PR statement to respond to harsh criticism and just decided to toss in there the list of information sent without crafting…

> Do you really think they prepared a PR statement to respond to harsh criticism and just decided to toss in there the list of information sent without crafting the order of the items? Yes, because it's in alphabetical order. You don't have to craft anything for it to be in alphabetical order. You just put it in alphabetical order. The sorts of people who are going to read that list and understand any of it are the s…

> Yes, because it's in alphabetical order.

> You don't have to craft anything for it to be in alphabetical order.

> You just put it in alphabetical order.

Again, if you get to choose the names, you get to choose the order.

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by gowld »

dannyr wrote: post #95
mikenew wrote: post #59

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My point is that you've removed one instance of the Facebook SDK from your phone, but you still have 50 others. Plus probably hundreds of other analytics frameworks that you've never even heard of that are just as bad or worse.

So if you can't stop ALL of them, you stop NONE of them.

Right. There's no point in locking 6% of your doors. It's security makework theater, like trying to use a treadmill for transportation.

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by gowld »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #117
enitihas wrote: post #109

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No, you attack the systematic problem and don't become happy by fixing one of them, since it is a hollow victory, and public outrage has limited capacity for repeated posts of "app x is sending to Facebook".

honest question: _how_ do we attack the underlying systematic problem to solve it once and for all? write a blog post? take it twitter/HN/reddit? hold a rally/demonstration outside Apple/Google? call our MP? bombard their employees with phone calls or knock on their front door where they live? write malware? ... really I got nothing that sounds like it would work. In retrospect all of Tim Cook's privacy / security gr…

Buy a better behaving phone, or admit that you don't mind being spied on as compensation for features.

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by luckylion »

zapzupnz wrote: post #186
lultimouomo wrote: post #152

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Alphabetical order is neither mandated by any rule, nor deterministic since you can choose how to call things. "Application Bundle Identifier" made it to the top of the list, but if it was "iOS Application Bundle Identifier" it would be below the Advertiser ID. Do you really think they prepared a PR statement to respond to harsh criticism and just decided to toss in there the list of information sent without crafting…

> Do you really think they prepared a PR statement to respond to harsh criticism and just decided to toss in there the list of information sent without crafting the order of the items? Yes, because it's in alphabetical order. You don't have to craft anything for it to be in alphabetical order. You just put it in alphabetical order. The sorts of people who are going to read that list and understand any of it are the s…

> You don't have to craft anything for it to be in alphabetical order. You just put it in alphabetical order.

And you can still set your preferred order by naming and wording. Had they dropped "iOS" from everything, "Advertiser ID" would be at the top. I don't think they would've lost a lot of clarity with e.g. "Device Disk Space Available" instead of "iOS Device Disk Space Available". Or, if prefixes are their thing, why not call it "Zoom Application Bundle Identifier"?

Alphabetical order means nothing if you control the strings that are used for sorting.

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by eitland »

spunker540 wrote: post #200
krrrh wrote: post #189

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I pay $20 a month for Zoom and consider it a business product. Collecting analytics via Facebook is unacceptable in this context.

Would any cloud-hosted analytics be acceptable? Is it just Facebook that’s problematic? What if they switched from client-side analytics to server-side so you couldn’t detect it all? Would that be any better? The bottom line is when you use a service, that data is their data to send to whomever they want.

> The bottom line is when you use a service, that data is their data to send to whomever they want.

No.

That's all that really needs to be said about it but I'll add a couple of more lines here so no one thinks I'm lazy or posting a shallow dismissal:

- First, just because someone trusts you it doesn't mean you are free to abuse them. This should go without saying!

- Second: In Europe and I think California as well this is also illegal.

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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Post by christefano »

allover wrote: post #176
neya wrote: post #168

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Not just that Apple has actually started to sell users' data to Goldman Sachs as well. The worst part is, this is opt-in. Not opt out. And opt out is incredibly so backward that you need to email some address instead of just clicking a button. So I don't see how they're a "privacy respecting company" either. It's just marketing BS. https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/24/apple-card-gets-updated-pr...

I'm not sure you read the article you linked to properly: > Apple is changing the privacy policy for Apple Card with iOS to share a richer, but still anonymized set of data with Goldman Sachs in order to allow the creation of a new credit assignment model, which could expand the group of users that may be able to secure credit. > There is also a beefed up fallback method in the works that will allow users to share mo…

It’s an opt-out:

“You can opt out of this use or your Apple relationship information by emailing our privacy team at dpo@apple.com with the subject line ‘Apple Relationship Data and Apple Card.’”

Re: Zoom’s Use of Facebook’s SDK in iOS Client

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