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So it sounds like Zoom was using the Facebook SDK, and now they're not. I've been and iOS developer for a long time. I can tell you from experience that everyone does this. I have never worked for anyone who didn't ask for their app to include some combination of Facebook, Google, Flurry, AppCenter, Segment, Intercom, Parse, or whatever other random analytics framework the PM happens to be infatuated with. Getting ma…
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It’s the official SDK of one of the biggest companies. I can’t fault them on not catching this. What Facebook does is ugly.
And it's known that what Facebook does is ugly. So Hanlon's Razor and all that, but given recent events it strains credulity that the developers weren't at least suspicious.
However, it's the Project Managers and Product Owners that are not aware and they say "do it because that's what the customer wants!" and you can argue. You really do so at your own peril if you don't have others on the team to back you up.
It’s not fair to be attacking zoom so much over this. They took prompt action as soon as they were aware.
So they don't know what they're doing? Really? How does that defense go in criminal trials?
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I think it doesn't always have to scale. Zoom is a huge player right now and in great usage across all industries, countries and users.
Really?!? If it wasn't for this post I wouldn't even know that they exist.
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So if you can't stop ALL of them, you stop NONE of them.
No, you attack the systematic problem and don't become happy by fixing one of them, since it is a hollow victory, and public outrage has limited capacity for repeated posts of "app x is sending to Facebook".
write a blog post?
take it twitter/HN/reddit?
hold a rally/demonstration outside Apple/Google?
call our MP?
bombard their employees with phone calls or knock on their front door where they live?
write malware?
... really I got nothing that sounds like it would work. In retrospect all of Tim Cook's privacy / security grandstanding and attitude of superiority was just that. There are no good guys in this game.
So it sounds like Zoom was using the Facebook SDK, and now they're not. I've been and iOS developer for a long time. I can tell you from experience that everyone does this. I have never worked for anyone who didn't ask for their app to include some combination of Facebook, Google, Flurry, AppCenter, Segment, Intercom, Parse, or whatever other random analytics framework the PM happens to be infatuated with. Getting ma…
But you’ve just said everyone does it and we shouldn’t get mad at them - so we don’t need wireshark, because it would simply confirm that everyone does it and we shouldn’t get mad at them - right?
It’s not fair to be attacking zoom so much over this. They took prompt action as soon as they were aware.
They took prompt action because they were attacked so much over this.
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So if you can't stop ALL of them, you stop NONE of them.
No, you attack the systematic problem and don't become happy by fixing one of them, since it is a hollow victory, and public outrage has limited capacity for repeated posts of "app x is sending to Facebook".
In this very thread we started from “I can tell you from experience that everyone does this.”.
Now when a PO will be asked to add facebook in its app (or wants to remove it) there is at least one prominent instance to point to showing that having the SDK is not the right move. And hopefully that “everyone does it” will become “some still do it”.
If of course in the meantime we find a working systematic solution, it’s all for the better.