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Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The main problem I see regarding masks is, besides price, distribution." There's a crap ton of unused aircraft right now. You would just need heads of state to direct the airlines to fulfill that need, simplify clearance, customs, etc. Treat it like wartime.

Keep reading beyond the 1st sentence, he's describing bureaucracy problems, not transport problems.

Maybe read the last 2 sentences of my comment.

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"I spoke with Daimler over the weekend. They would also like to help. But it’s unfortunately not so simple..." It would be interesting to hear more precisely why. We've heard more than a few well-respected industrialists essentially saying "Scaling up ventilator production ? How hard could it be?" Edit. Of course I am not suggesting that car assembly lines are suitable to build ventilator parts. That's clearly not wh…

We also regularly hear (otherwise very sensible) software engineers saying stuff like "Clone twitter? How hard could it be?". It's not very hard to see how manufacturing life-saving medical equipment in a rush without proper testing could go catastrophically wrong. Even if you get known-good schematics from another company, retooling (say) a car production line to make something else needs a lot of planning to make s…

That analogy is only partially accurate. For instance, injection molding machines are pretty flexible these days, parts are almost exclusively drawn in CAD and molds are commonly cut with EDM. Every injection molding house has to have the ability to maintain those molds too. So if you wanted auto manufacturers (or more likely one of their suppliers) to produce a plastic part, it could almost be hands off. Send them the CAD files and specifications, produce a short run with heavy QA and once they're started, you can almost have as many parts as you need.

Modern cars have such a huge variety of parts with varying materials and characteristics that I'd guess almost all the ventilator parts could be out-sourced. I don't know enough to say what the specialized skills or parts could be but let the ventilator manufacturers build those, do final assembly and QA and you'd at least increase production to some degree. My guess is that the quoted manufacturer has ramped up their existing parts manufacture beyond their ability to do final assembly were Daimler to provide more parts.

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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"I spoke with Daimler over the weekend. They would also like to help. But it’s unfortunately not so simple..." It would be interesting to hear more precisely why. We've heard more than a few well-respected industrialists essentially saying "Scaling up ventilator production ? How hard could it be?" Edit. Of course I am not suggesting that car assembly lines are suitable to build ventilator parts. That's clearly not wh…

We also regularly hear (otherwise very sensible) software engineers saying stuff like "Clone twitter? How hard could it be?". It's not very hard to see how manufacturing life-saving medical equipment in a rush without proper testing could go catastrophically wrong. Even if you get known-good schematics from another company, retooling (say) a car production line to make something else needs a lot of planning to make s…

The issue with cloning Twitter is primarily the network effect, not the technology. That's different in ventilators, unless you're looking at long term investments, e.g. when this is over and you've invested heavily into scaling production, you might not be in a good spot.

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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Perhaps intravenous oxygen supply could be a way to treat those who are't getting a ventilator due to shortages? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27910706 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247295 Not a physician, but sounds like a more rapidly scalable method - if it works.

“This is a short-term oxygen substitute – a way to safely inject oxygen gas to support patients during a critical few minutes,”

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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I hear GM and now Daimler are all offering to help. How easy are these to manufacture? Also setting up the manufacturing plant takes time doesn’t it? All these companies make it seem like it’s trivial to create the infrastructure needed to manufacture them in bulk. Or does auto manufacturers somehow have the equipment to do this already? Is that the case?

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I hear GM and now Daimler are all offering to help. How easy are these to manufacture? Also setting up the manufacturing plant takes time doesn’t it? All these companies make it seem like it’s trivial to create the infrastructure needed to manufacture them in bulk. Or does auto manufacturers somehow have the equipment to do this already? Is that the case?

Final assembly or manufacturing components like hoses.

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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post #32
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also regularly hear (otherwise very sensible) software engineers saying stuff like "Clone twitter? How hard could it be?". It's not very hard to see how manufacturing life-saving medical equipment in a rush without proper testing could go catastrophically wrong. Even if you get known-good schematics from another company, retooling (say) a car production line to make something else needs a lot of planning to make s…

That analogy is only partially accurate. For instance, injection molding machines are pretty flexible these days, parts are almost exclusively drawn in CAD and molds are commonly cut with EDM. Every injection molding house has to have the ability to maintain those molds too. So if you wanted auto manufacturers (or more likely one of their suppliers) to produce a plastic part, it could almost be hands off. Send them t…

You are assuming (edit: actually you aren't, see below) that the car manufacturers are producing these parts themselves. It is a lot more complicated for Daimler to produce plastic parts for ventilators (for example) if small plastic parts in Daimler cars have been produced in China for the last 25 years and delivered just-in-time to the assembly line in Stuttgart.

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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"Before we invest too much thought into this, we should focus on getting devices that are sitting around in a basement somewhere back into working order." I'm mechanically and electrically handy but don't have a basement full of ventilators. I'm going to send an email to my local hospital ... we'll see how that goes. Anyone have know where else to find ventilators that need to be serviced?

He mentions it in the article.

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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"I spoke with Daimler over the weekend. They would also like to help. But it’s unfortunately not so simple..." It would be interesting to hear more precisely why. We've heard more than a few well-respected industrialists essentially saying "Scaling up ventilator production ? How hard could it be?" Edit. Of course I am not suggesting that car assembly lines are suitable to build ventilator parts. That's clearly not wh…

It's a good question. Probably would also need the automotive parts suppliers to change to ventilator parts. And their sub-suppliers etc. Controlling quality would take time.

It would be hard to make reliable properly working machines fast. Faulty ones would kill patients.

Re: Interview with German Ventilator Manufacturer

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"I spoke with Daimler over the weekend. They would also like to help. But it’s unfortunately not so simple..." It would be interesting to hear more precisely why. We've heard more than a few well-respected industrialists essentially saying "Scaling up ventilator production ? How hard could it be?" Edit. Of course I am not suggesting that car assembly lines are suitable to build ventilator parts. That's clearly not wh…

We also regularly hear (otherwise very sensible) software engineers saying stuff like "Clone twitter? How hard could it be?". It's not very hard to see how manufacturing life-saving medical equipment in a rush without proper testing could go catastrophically wrong. Even if you get known-good schematics from another company, retooling (say) a car production line to make something else needs a lot of planning to make s…

unfortunate analogy. many countries with closed internet have "cloned twitter"
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