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Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Stopped reading after first two sentences. Bitcoin works because it provides a transaction platform that’s virtually impossible to censor or control and a monetary system that is virtually impossible to debase. Bitcoin provides those things through law of the universe - you can’t make energy out of nothing. If you figure out a different way to provide those things, feel free to make your alternative to Bitcoin, but d…

> Bitcoin works because it provides a transaction platform that’s virtually impossible to censor or control and a monetary system that is virtually impossible to debase. Why is this good? What tangible problem are we solving here?

Financing WikiLeaks for example: https://twitter.com/DefendAssange/status/919247873648283653

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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But no examples how it would actually work in real life.

Money you think you have in your bank are actually just a promise recorded in a database. Even if that promise is fulfilled and you get cash on your hands, it can be diluted into worthlessness by printing trillions more. All of that is controlled by few guys behind closed doors. None of that applies to Bitcoin. Is that good enough example from real life?

No, because it's such a narrow view on currency. Because governments have every incentive to keep currencies stable, so they will never become worthless.

Cryptocoins are not backed by anything, making them very volatile and thus unsuited as a foundational currency for any stable society.

This example only illustrates to me that cryptocoin proponents only have esotheric hypotheticals in mind.

Sure Venezuela happened, but those are exceptions. When the stock exchanges went down hard due to corona, the cryptocoins went down hard too. But regular money kept stable.

Yes fiat money is just a record in a database. And that's it for cryptocurrencies. But fiat money like a dollar or euro is so much more.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Money you think you have in your bank are actually just a promise recorded in a database. Even if that promise is fulfilled and you get cash on your hands, it can be diluted into worthlessness by printing trillions more. All of that is controlled by few guys behind closed doors. None of that applies to Bitcoin. Is that good enough example from real life?

No, because it's such a narrow view on currency. Because governments have every incentive to keep currencies stable, so they will never become worthless. Cryptocoins are not backed by anything, making them very volatile and thus unsuited as a foundational currency for any stable society. This example only illustrates to me that cryptocoin proponents only have esotheric hypotheticals in mind. Sure Venezuela happened,…

Fiat is controlled by governments, governments are controlled by humans, humans are often irrational and there are many more examples than just Venezuela which is the only thing you could think of.

Bitcoin is governed by math and that’s why it’s valuable to me.

Bitcoin is beneficial to society because it provides choice. I don’t care if you don’t get it or if you disagree.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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What is the actual value of that?

Being able to send money to a friend in the US from Greece has value to me. Currently, I can't do this without a lot of hassle, since there's no overlap between what banking methods we use in Greece and what they use in the US. The problem is that ~0 stores accept cryptocurrencies, so my friend can't do anything with it.

Western Union, Moneygram, Paypal, and so on?

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Being able to send money to a friend in the US from Greece has value to me. Currently, I can't do this without a lot of hassle, since there's no overlap between what banking methods we use in Greece and what they use in the US. The problem is that ~0 stores accept cryptocurrencies, so my friend can't do anything with it.

Western Union, Moneygram, Paypal, and so on?

Nowhere near as convenient, fast or cheap. I guess there's Transferwise, which is still more expensive and slower, plus they banned me as a user, which cryptocurrencies don't do.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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The only thing you do is to move attention away from cryptocurrencies to (other) fiat currencies. They may have problems too. But we are now talking about the merits of cryptocurrencies. I see zero argument for them.

Cryptocurrency is: * Resistant to government censorship: Short of total firewalling and mass whitelisting of all IP packets and blacklisting all encrypted traffic, governments have difficulty controlling transfers. * Resistant to capital controls: Centralized banking can prevent you from using your money. The Federal Reserve reduced the reserve requirement to zero and cut interest rates to zero on March 15th. The FDI…

These are all theoretical problems that have not shown up in real life in the west. Also there is no evidence that cryptocurrency will truly address those topics at scale, meaning full for a significant part of the population.

This reads like a religious text to me.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Is there any actual evidence that this is true, taking the exchange rates in cryptocurrency exchanges into account?

What is in doubt here, value provided by cash? A friend of mine uses (used?) cryptocurrency for transferring/receiving money to/from a sibling across the ocean. Converting to/from local currency is apparently cheaper relative to PayPal rates. (Plus, in some countries PayPal et al. restrict accounts not associated with a bank, making it even less attractive to unbanked.) What is unclear to me personally is whether ben…

This is a very uncommon esoteric situation.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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No, because it's such a narrow view on currency. Because governments have every incentive to keep currencies stable, so they will never become worthless. Cryptocoins are not backed by anything, making them very volatile and thus unsuited as a foundational currency for any stable society. This example only illustrates to me that cryptocoin proponents only have esotheric hypotheticals in mind. Sure Venezuela happened,…

Fiat is controlled by governments, governments are controlled by humans, humans are often irrational and there are many more examples than just Venezuela which is the only thing you could think of. Bitcoin is governed by math and that’s why it’s valuable to me. Bitcoin is beneficial to society because it provides choice. I don’t care if you don’t get it or if you disagree.

If you really didn't care you would not have responded.

The truth is that cryptocurrencies like bitcoin are highly volatile and in fact a very dangerous alternative.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Which made a bunch of Japanese elders not to suicide (yet). Yeah, no value at all.

Missing the point is an art, I must admit.

Please don't. If someone is that wrong, or you feel they are, just let it go.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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