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Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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"Money laundering and buying drugs" "No intrinsic value" "Energy waste" These arguments have been in the wild for over 10 years and discussed by both sides in much detail. The article brings just personal opinion of author and probably the most dumb down version of these arguments I have seen. Not sure if satire or not.

Can you answer the question of the article? > Can you please show me the benefit to society of cryptocurrencies?

I'll take a stab.

First, society is a semantic shortcut, not something that actually exists as something that can experience gain or harm. Only individuals can, and many have, and do.

I had an unbanked contractor, a refugee from Russia who could not get a bank account anywhere he went, and had to hop countries a lot as visas expired, and I paid him in Bitcoin even though he was completely unfamiliar with it when I proposed it, because we could find no other solution. He and I both benefitted substantially from that. I'm aware that other solutions exist, and we had exhausted all the ones we could find, as one by one my bank started rejecting transactions as fraudulent.

For most of what we want to do in the US or the rest of the first world, we have a reasonably functional banking system. For most of what we want to do internationally, at least commercially or with trading partners able to work with approved banks, things work pretty OK. There is a substantial part of the world that doesn't live under these conditions.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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The flip phone was usable from day 1. This is not a flip phone. It's a tamagotchi.

Which made a bunch of Japanese elders not to suicide (yet). Yeah, no value at all.

Missing the point is an art, I must admit.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

#94
post #17

This post presents a very low effort argument. It's basically taking the argument "the only reason anyone would want privacy is if they have something to hide" and applying it to money "the only reason anyone would want financial privacy is because they are buying drugs".

Its also far too dependent on the ignorance of the primitive BTC proof of work protocol to move its simple minded argument forward.

You mean boiling the oceans for.... what?

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

#95

Cryptocurrency can facilitate crime just like cash, but with scale come new and unknown implications. Same with information security, surveillance, and more: physical vulnerability in a door lock vs. remotely exploitable vulnerability in Wi-Fi router firmware; standalone CCTV vs. a connected network of cameras with centralized storage that allows tracking the movements of a given person throughout the day—the latter…

But what value does it provide?

Also same as cash, amplified by scale and lack of geographic/political barriers.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

#96

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But what value does it provide?

Also same as cash, amplified by scale and lack of geographic/political barriers.

Is there any actual evidence that this is true, taking the exchange rates in cryptocurrency exchanges into account?

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Every single downside listed in the article already existed way long before cryptocurrencies were even invented. Yet another article that confuses security of exchanges with security of cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrencies are digital asset designed to work as a non-centralized medium of exchange. You can ask any citizen from countries that went through hyperinflation, capital control or cyprus-style bank account seizu…

I mention this 'argument' in my article.

To any person living in Europe, I hope you guys know the bank account seizure that happened in Cyprus in 2013 has been used as a template to create an european law named "Bank Recovery and Resolution Directive"(BRRD). Some people are going to learn the hard way:

https://eba.europa.eu/regulation-and-policy/single-rulebook/...

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Why do you feel entitled to tell people what they should do? How do you know what value - or lack thereof - people get from using Bitcoin&co., have you checked with them, or is it just theory? Why do you assume your sense of value has to be universal? The 'drugs' traded on the 'deeply depraved' marketplaces save lives and make other lives kind of comfortable even amid a chronic disease. Yes, I mean drugs which should…

Yes the title didn't help, a good lesson. Less judgement in titles. You call my post bias and unoriginal, which you can do. But can you answer the core question I pose? And please not with esoteric examples of availability of medicine for chronic diseases which to me raises the question: is that all you can come up with?

It's not esoteric! It happens. I can't go into details, which should be understandable, but I've seen this happen. People I know and love were able to live freely in the last year of their lives; people I know and love are able to function mostly normally because of the drugs they buy illegally. What, please tell me, is esoteric in this? What exactly?

> is that all you can come up with?

No, but it's enough to falsify your claims. There are people who get tremendous value out of the 'depraved markets'. That's it.

EDIT: typo.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Which made a bunch of Japanese elders not to suicide (yet). Yeah, no value at all.

Missing the point is an art, I must admit.

You've passed the flame-bait territory and are headed straight for troll-land. I'm so angry at myself that I got caught in your scheme, you wouldn't believe it.

Re: Cryptocurrencies Are Detrimental to Society

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Can you answer the question of the article? > Can you please show me the benefit to society of cryptocurrencies?

I'll take a stab. First, society is a semantic shortcut, not something that actually exists as something that can experience gain or harm. Only individuals can, and many have, and do. I had an unbanked contractor, a refugee from Russia who could not get a bank account anywhere he went, and had to hop countries a lot as visas expired, and I paid him in Bitcoin even though he was completely unfamiliar with it when I pr…

Thanks for sharing your story. I'm sorry for the Russian refugee, but that kind of scenario - although noble - doesn't seem to really justify what 'we are doing' with crypto.

Indirectly, your scenario seems to admit that for the vast majority of the world, cryptocurrencies don't add much.

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