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God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Post by gowld »

Insanity wrote: post #10
bArray wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure if we start a Twitter storm about it, we can get him cancelled. /s Personally I think it was just observational, perhaps they were the only women in the place, so they were the exception. From what I know, historically nurses have been mostly female - but would be interested to find out if this was different.

Yup that was my understanding as well. Not sure why I'm being downvoted, it was a genuine question lol

Often a valid tangentialy comment gets rightly downvoted simply because its current vote total puts it higher on the page than more relevant comments.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Post by triangleman »

Kye wrote: post #16
Dahoon wrote: post #8

The Spanish flu from Kansas.

I wonder if, like with the 1918 pandemic, we'll find later that the first cases were somewhere other than China, but that place was better at keeping it under wraps.

A shrimp vendor at the Wuhan seafood market reported symptoms starting Dec. 10, so unless someone finds earlier cases elsewhere, I think that's as good a place as any to call the starting point.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/cor...

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Post by i_am_new_here »

Merrill wrote: post #34

> It is salutary to remember that we do not really understand why the devastating pandemic of 1918-19 was so severe, and that we cannot therefore be confident that our modern medical measures would succeed against a similar future challenge. From the introduction to the letter in the British Medical Journal published 1979. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1599810/pdf/brm... This still seems to be the case…

Could it be that very dangerous viruses emerge more often, but only when they fall on "(very) fertile ground", that they then spread? The WW1-circumstances (a lot of men together on small space and harsh conditions) have contributed a lot, that the "spanish flu" spread, while others did not spread and so never became known to us ?

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Post by prox »

gbrits wrote: post #23
prox wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have, but it is old Dutch. Don’t know if that is of help... I am still going through the archives for older mentions.

Facinating. There's a lot of Dutch people here. Some might want to translate

The article states under the header “news from Spain” : “In the last days a terrible [amount of] dying has transpired that the gravediggers state that they have no recollection [of such a thing] since the Cholera. Most people die of lung and chest complications that follow from the flu.” 27-01-1848

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Post by prox »

ekianjo wrote: post #12
prox wrote: post #2

I found a newspaper message from the 19th century that described a flu that gave pneumonia and undertakers hadn’t seen anything like it since the Cholera epidemics, this article was from Spain around 1840’s.

do you have a copy?

I added a translation in this thread.

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Post by throwanem »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #29
emmelaich wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KYBO is a common acronym in Scouting. "Keep Your Bowels Open" Whether Bouells is a typo or pun I don't know.

But what does it mean/come from?

It literally means to make sure you avoid getting constipated.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Post by prox »

narag wrote: post #32
agustif wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide specific dates to try and find something in Spanish?

Wikipedia says there were three outbreaks 1833 and 1834, then in 1855: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemias_de_c%C3%B3lera_en_Es... Edit: it seems I misunderstood. The original comment didn't talk about cholera, but used it as a comparison.

True, it was under the header “news from Spain” , I added a translation.

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Post by mikorym »

Merrill wrote: post #34

> It is salutary to remember that we do not really understand why the devastating pandemic of 1918-19 was so severe, and that we cannot therefore be confident that our modern medical measures would succeed against a similar future challenge. From the introduction to the letter in the British Medical Journal published 1979. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1599810/pdf/brm... This still seems to be the case…

It could also be that cytokine storms were not known in 1979. The source I see on wikipedia is for 1991, but you can read the article if you like. [1]

This is what essentially causes the "W" curve as opposed to Covid-19's "J" curve.

Edit: Also as opposed to normal flu's "V" curve.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Post by mikorym »

draw_down wrote: post #22

Outrageous that they called it the Spanish flu- as we all now know, it is an act of violence to name a viral outbreak after a place.

It was called the Spanish flu because they were a neutral country and hence the reporters were allowed to report on the flu. It doesn't have much more than that in common with Spain.
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