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God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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I have, but it is old Dutch. Don’t know if that is of help... I am still going through the archives for older mentions.

Facinating. There's a lot of Dutch people here. Some might want to translate

Old Dutch is actually a lot like Old English, they’re both sister languages. Supposedly speakers of those languages were able to (mostly) understand each other, similarly to a dialect.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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I have, but it is old Dutch. Don’t know if that is of help... I am still going through the archives for older mentions.

Can you provide specific dates to try and find something in Spanish?

Wikipedia says there were three outbreaks 1833 and 1834, then in 1855:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemias_de_c%C3%B3lera_en_Es...

Edit: it seems I misunderstood. The original comment didn't talk about cholera, but used it as a comparison.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Yup that was my understanding as well. Not sure why I'm being downvoted, it was a genuine question lol

People are positively petrified of anything that even uses the same words as politically incorrect speech.

Is this going to go away with the virus?

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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> It is salutary to remember that we do not really understand why the devastating pandemic of 1918-19 was so severe, and that we cannot therefore be confident that our modern medical measures would succeed against a similar future challenge.

From the introduction to the letter in the British Medical Journal published 1979. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1599810/pdf/brm...

This still seems to be the case for Covid-19.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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I wonder how well this approach is going to survive the current pandemic? I mean, is it me, or the amount of posts calling to get someone cancelled subsided?

The canary I'm watching is the whole "Chinese" or "Wuhan" vs. "COVID" virus naming issue. I think it is very clearly not the right time to point fingers. But when this is all past us, a post-mortem and finger pointing is probably warranted. I don't think we need to resort to name calling, but I'm curious to see how much people bend over backwards to absolve China of responsibility.

I think the most evenhanded answer would be to use the correct names (SARS-CoV-2 for the virus, Sars 2 for short, COVID-19 for the disease, Covid for short) while freely reminding people that China's initial cover-up was a necessary condition for the present global crisis.

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The Spanish flu from Kansas.

I wonder if, like with the 1918 pandemic, we'll find later that the first cases were somewhere other than China, but that place was better at keeping it under wraps.

Given how contagious it is and how much faster information moves today, that is highly unlikely.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The canary I'm watching is the whole "Chinese" or "Wuhan" vs. "COVID" virus naming issue. I think it is very clearly not the right time to point fingers. But when this is all past us, a post-mortem and finger pointing is probably warranted. I don't think we need to resort to name calling, but I'm curious to see how much people bend over backwards to absolve China of responsibility.

I think the most evenhanded answer would be to use the correct names (SARS-CoV-2 for the virus, Sars 2 for short, COVID-19 for the disease, Covid for short) while freely reminding people that China's initial cover-up was a necessary condition for the present global crisis.

While these are all correct and proper, everyone I know is on first terms with it and so we all call the virus and the disease Corona.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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So, going beyond the depressing, I think one good thing that will come out of all this since this situation isn't experienced in any of our lifetimes (including our elders) we have to reach back to history to find comparisons. Maybe this will spark a curiosity in history! There's a number of really great history channels on YouTube; I particularly like "The Armchair Historian".

Hundreds of hours in eu4 and wikipedia will do the trick too haha

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The canary I'm watching is the whole "Chinese" or "Wuhan" vs. "COVID" virus naming issue. I think it is very clearly not the right time to point fingers. But when this is all past us, a post-mortem and finger pointing is probably warranted. I don't think we need to resort to name calling, but I'm curious to see how much people bend over backwards to absolve China of responsibility.

I think the most evenhanded answer would be to use the correct names (SARS-CoV-2 for the virus, Sars 2 for short, COVID-19 for the disease, Covid for short) while freely reminding people that China's initial cover-up was a necessary condition for the present global crisis.

While I think that's a valid point to make. My perspective on that is that, given contradicting reports and initial confusion, you can't fault any organization or person not picking out the correct response in the total state space. Hindsight and all that.

I think a much more powerful complaint is pointing out that, despite numerous warnings, studies, SARS, and having successfully isolated the root cause of the SARS outbreak (Civets). Only four months later these animals were back on the menu. The government made a rational choice to allow the conditions for the current situation to exist. The whole world is paying the price for this rational, prolonged and often pointed out mistake. That, I think, is a complaint we can lay wholly on the government.

Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how well this approach is going to survive the current pandemic? I mean, is it me, or the amount of posts calling to get someone cancelled subsided?

The canary I'm watching is the whole "Chinese" or "Wuhan" vs. "COVID" virus naming issue. I think it is very clearly not the right time to point fingers. But when this is all past us, a post-mortem and finger pointing is probably warranted. I don't think we need to resort to name calling, but I'm curious to see how much people bend over backwards to absolve China of responsibility.

On our priority list, containing the virus is way higher than making sure China takes responsibility (how is this even a debate?), but the US Executive branch leader (and everyone who follows that lead) has a major priority inversion.
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