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The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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post #80

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I need to tell you this: in the 2000s we worked off the strategy and tactics outlined in The Manual and had a string of global chart topping successes I can only assume others did the same...do u know the bigger story?

Absolutely, I don't see why it wouldn't have worked. I doubt it would work today however.

Why do u think it wouldn’t work today?

I think the strategies in the book are timeless

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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This might be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard: “Thin copyright might apply to a doll or a painting because, for example, there are just so many ways to paint a tomato,” Busch said. “Creative choices are limited. It has never applied to music because there are literally an infinite number of creative choices in creating a song.” ... So you're saying there aren't infinite ways to paint a tomato?

That's a terrible argument isn't it? There's a finite number of musical notes, a finite structure to them and a finite number of effects. We're guaranteed to end up with doppelgänger choruses and melodies sooner rather than later.

You can construct finite sets of melodies but when you start to consider rhythm (Loads of pop songs use basic polyrhythms!) and more exotic intervals it's way way bigger than you might imagine.

This also completely ignores there is not a finite number of notes - ever heard someone play a theremin? - and even you restrict yourself to finite tuning systems, there are many to choose from. These can also be used in a pop context - if extremely rarely.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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I've told this story before. In the early 1990s I worked for Jimmy Cauty and Bill Drummond's record label, back when they were dominating the UK and European pop charts as The KLF ( https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/07/20/537708922/... ). One day we received in the mail a cassette tape and a letter from a law firm representing a composer or publisher (I can't remember which) of a famous Broadway soundtrack…

Was it Jesus Christ Superstar? I actually do hear the similarity but I wouldn't call it a ripoff either. I love the KLF!! Riff starts on the beginning of both tunes. Jesus Christ Supertar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqoeM18vCaU What Time is Love? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28w2LVzxVkU

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> What if the entire piece of media is really short and 10 seconds is most or all of it? If the creator cared, he'd make it longer. Seriously, why should a 5 second movie be worthy of major copyright protection? For example, if I wrote a 100 line computer program, should that be worthy of copyright protection. I'd say "no". A creator of a 10-second movie should consider it advertising for his skills, and hope and pra…

>I f the creator cared, he'd make it longer. I'm sorry, and would like to know how to put it another way to not sound aggressive, but this point is absurd[1]. Length (in this case runtime) of the resulting product has little to no relation to the amount of work or value put into it and its development[2]. 1- I'm not even sure why'd you use code as an example, because it is the easiest counterexample to your point. Hu…

> crucial pieces of engineering

That's what patents are for, not copyrights.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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post #80

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Absolutely, I don't see why it wouldn't have worked. I doubt it would work today however.

Why do u think it wouldn’t work today? I think the strategies in the book are timeless

Well, I was thinking specifically about the instruction to use ABABCBB form for a song, which was great in the 80s and 90s, but would produce a song that was way too long for today's tastes, I think. I believe you when you say there are many timeless lessons in the book.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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post #107
post #33

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I've told this story before. In the early 1990s I worked for Jimmy Cauty and Bill Drummond's record label, back when they were dominating the UK and European pop charts as The KLF ( https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/07/20/537708922/... ). One day we received in the mail a cassette tape and a letter from a law firm representing a composer or publisher (I can't remember which) of a famous Broadway soundtrack…

Was it Jesus Christ Superstar? I actually do hear the similarity but I wouldn't call it a ripoff either. I love the KLF!! Riff starts on the beginning of both tunes. Jesus Christ Supertar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqoeM18vCaU What Time is Love? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28w2LVzxVkU

Sounds a bit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVxXbTk-zsQ&feature=youtu.be... Das Boot U-96

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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Would you prefer he demanded royalties instead, as their label would if he used a few seconds of their output in one of his films? Or that they just be able to use the sample without credit or royalty?

Maybe a quick Google before going on the attack next time: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/gangstas-of...

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Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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A reasonable thing would be to consider "fair use" as any clip less than, say, 10 seconds.

What about small promos or jingles or a ringtone? Would they just not be copyrightable? I think this is harder to define when you consider that "music" expands further than just the traditional 5 minute song on Spotify or the radio.

Does it matter? Getting granted a "limited-time" (ha) monopoly is only because it encourages the arts, commerce, and advancement. That monopoly is oppressive, so the public better be getting something out of the deal.

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If you’re paywalled on NYT you’ve already viewed many articles. You can clear your cookies or you might be interested in subscribing since you seem to enjoy their content.

I don't buy this, there must be some false positive rate in some of these sites. I've been told that I've viewed too many articles on sites I've never visited before. It's happened at home too where I live alone and have not seen my IP address change in a very long time.

I was specifically talking about NYT, not other sites.

I responded the way I did because it’s a common (annoying) trope for people to complain about paywalls in one breath, then in another breath complain about ads/tracking/lack of independent journalism.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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post #106
post #46

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At least in that case and the Blurred Lines case there was some component that was verifiably the same. (But yeah, QT was and is a jerk. Especially when you consider how he ripped off City on Fire.)

What component was veritably the same in the Blurred Lines case? I've listened to both songs and the 'sameness' to my ears is akin to two rock tunes using similar power chords and drum beat.

Okay, so this is annoying but I could swear there was a component (backing vocals?) that was the exact riff that “I know you want it” was, but now I can’t find it.

Whether or not it exists, the Blurred Lines decision was dumb and dangerous, even if Marvin Gaye >>>> Robin Thicke.

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