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Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by jrs235 »

morty_s wrote: post #206
Ididntdothis wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I got flu shots twice In my life and both times felt worse than any flu I have had without.

This is interesting. I suspect you may never have had “the flu.” Many people think or have felt like they’ve had the flu, but people rarely get tested. Also, and I could be wrong, but if you’re immune response to the vaccine is so strong wouldn’t your immune response to the actual virus be much worse? What component of the vaccines you have had do you believe caused your adverse reactions?

The real virus isn't directly injected into your body tissue, it has to find a way in through mucus membranes when the immune system may be strong enough to fight it off before full on body aches.

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Post by seph-reed »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #194
TomMckenny wrote: post #122

Judging from the comments, explaining the severity of the epidemic is now politically charged. Epidemiologists and the medical field have made it clear we are _under_ reacting. But apparently some politicians want to down play the problem and their obfuscation is echoed in every corner of the web with great zeal and again drowning out reality. It's like the climate change denial phenomenon but at high speed.

The fact that we're more likely to listen to a politician (or a media figure) rather than someone who has spent the better portion of four decades studying a topic is one of the most existential threats we face. We need to figure out a way to get through the tribal mentality. Right now, a significant plurality (if not an actual majority) of people are more concerned about their side winning points than about effectiv…

Seriously, what is the analogous computer science problem to this? Why is it that a lifetime of experiences, and I still draw blanks every time I try to figure out what to do about this stuff. I mean... everything minus scenarios which include massive amounts of death. Surely there's a better way though.

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Post by foxyv »

Angostura wrote: post #170
Zelphyr wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I do. Helps that I live with a Nurse Practitioner. However, the number of people I know who are convinced that getting the flu shot makes them sick or gives them the flu and thus refuse to get the shot is shocking. Some things I've actually heard: "I get sick every time!" No, you don't. "It's a LIVE VIRUS! Everybody knows this!" No, it's not. You're just an idiot hanging around with idiots.

To be clear - some people can feel a bit rough after the flu shot for a day or so. Still much MUCH better than getting flu

It makes me feel like I'm sick for about 4 days after a shot. I STILL get it because I remember getting the Flu as a kid and hope to never get it again if I can help it...

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Post by seph-reed »

rsynnott wrote: post #179
joshlemer wrote: post #58

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Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?

I mean, normally, it's hyperbole. But that Texas Lieutenant governor going on about how old people would be happy to lay down their lives for the economy was definitely getting into actual death cult territory.

I enjoy how 2 weeks ago most people had a kill the boomers rhetoric, and now it's my grandma/grandpa. It's (likely) a change for the better, but one I haven't seen pointed out yet.

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Post by codetwelve »

phkahler wrote: post #213
js2 wrote: post #16

The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

>> Everyone gets their flu shot, right? No, and that's ok. There is a lot of stuff written - even in science papers - that indicate differing things about those vaccines effectiveness. There is no universal "right" answer to your question. I'm assuming you thought it was rhetorical.

Can you provide a source of these "science papers"? Please only provide the peer reviewed repeated studies, not those agenda driven ones.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by codetwelve »

Someone wrote: post #238

”The state is home to more than 6% of the world's confirmed cases so far” World population: 7½ billion. 6% of that: 450 million. Population of New York State: 20 million. ⇒ overrepresentation factor: 22½. Open question: how much of that is due to more testing being done in New York State, compared to, say, India or Pakistan (large, less wealthy countries that may skew the statistics)

Uhmm confirmed cases.. I don't know why you're calculating population.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by jai_ »

Someone wrote: post #238

”The state is home to more than 6% of the world's confirmed cases so far” World population: 7½ billion. 6% of that: 450 million. Population of New York State: 20 million. ⇒ overrepresentation factor: 22½. Open question: how much of that is due to more testing being done in New York State, compared to, say, India or Pakistan (large, less wealthy countries that may skew the statistics)

They claim 6% of confirmed cases not 6% of the world's population.

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Post by fiftyfifty »

mapgrep wrote: post #149

I am seeing a lot of comments on this story complaining that it is anecdotal or that New York is extraordinary and thus this is implicitly less important to people outside New York. I live in the city of New York and I think it's important that everyone nationally absorb what is happening right now and the "anecdotes" are important. By anecdotes, I mean, in particular the New York Times story and video published last…

It already looks like New Orleans and Atlanta are also on the brink of overwhelming their hospitals as well. What's happening in NYC is just a preview of what many US cities are going to be dealing with very soon.

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Post by Ididntdothis »

Angostura wrote: post #172
Ididntdothis wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I got flu shots twice In my life and both times felt worse than any flu I have had without.

So, you had a flu shot and you were confined to bed for over a week?

Maybe 3-4 days. I have never been confined to bed for longer with or without flu shot. In terms of headache and other pain the flu shot times were among the worst.

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Post by yters »

3JPLW wrote: post #224
yters wrote: post #215

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yes that all seems like things we could easily do in the US. i dont know why the gov doesnt push this, vs mass ineffective lockdowns

We don't have enough tests to do it. The testing backlog is getting worse — not better. The current backlog is estimated at 7-14 days in some areas.

where did sk get all their tests? they didnt know about cov2 before the outbreak. seems we could fast track test production, or do whatever they did
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