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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #131

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Wrong. PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. There is no "open" personal data you may just use for anything.

> PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. Not exactly. Consent is one of six allowed ways to process PII. It’s just that for advertising/tracking use its probably the only one that you can use.

And biometrics (which would include images of faces) are a special category of data with stricter restrictions.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #29

It's interesting how collecting or distributing files with music is a grave crime and corporations can take down anything they don't like with a half-assed DMCA request, with no repercussions for "mistakes", but a person's face image doesn't belong to that person and the same corporations can safely collect and distribute these images for profit.

YouTube takes this one step further to the ridiculous extreme that if you are live streaming a DJ set, it censors your stream in realtime whenever it detects a copyrighted song, i.e. a good 1/3 of your stream. It doesn't need a DMCA request, it does it willingly. YouTube is so horrible now for content creation, I don't understand how content creators are able to post anything anymore without it being smashed by the c…

Unfortunately, the EU adopted law which will force all social media to do something like what YouTube does.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #29

It's interesting how collecting or distributing files with music is a grave crime and corporations can take down anything they don't like with a half-assed DMCA request, with no repercussions for "mistakes", but a person's face image doesn't belong to that person and the same corporations can safely collect and distribute these images for profit.

> but a person's face image doesn't belong to that person

Copyright applies there too, and if you sued them for it, it's not inconceivable you might win.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #112

Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.

Maybe because no one actually thinks that there is a privacy interest in public photos of his/her face that he/she posts on the public internet?

A Facebook profile that you have to register, and is only accessible post-login, is not "public" by any reasonable definition.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…

Is potential surveillance by government entities the primary reason you are against companies generally doing whatever they want with user data? Are there other rationales? Just like your friends, I personally don't particularly care either, but from time to time I have tried to understand the privacy crowd's obsession with this issue and the rationale behind laws like the GDPR and CCPA, as well as the desire for eve…

The best manifesto is an history manual.

Take any century in the last 2000 years of human history, and there are files about people. For long it was sculpted or hand written. Then it was printed. Now it's digital. But it's the same thing, only the scale and speed change.

And at any point during those centuries, somewhere in the world, some entity (it doesn't have to be the gov) does bad things with those files. It's different every time. Excluding, killing, tracking, stealing, controlling... The form changes every time, but it's the same thing: abuse of those files.

It would, of course, be less of a problem if the information access was perfectly symmetrical. If anybody could access anybody's data, society would probably have a hard time for a few years, then adjust. And maybe become more fair.

But that's not what's happening. Here it just reinforces power asymmetry. And it creates incentives with huge bias that affect everybody's life.

There are three reasons why people give your answer.

1 - We had a nice run for a few decades in North America and West Europe. It's been a sweet life. And the human mind sets it as a new baseline. Now people see this as normal, and something else as the exception.

However, those decades ARE the exception. An exception that needs maintenance to preserve as best as we can.

2 - We are already pretty bad at making the connection between our misery today and the consequences of our past lifestyle, but today's information system is making it extra hard.

There are several factors for this: those in power getting really good at PR, information overload, more levels of indirection between causes and consequences, and the whole system complexity that never ceases to increase.

3 - The convenience is huge, and the price delayed

We don't get tracked for free, we get huge convenience in exchange. Plus we don't pay the price immediately, nor individually. We pay it as a society, and since it's cumulative, it's not obvious how much it costs us. It will only be painful in ... Well nobody knows when.

In fact, not only doing things right would rip us from convenience, but we would individually pay a strong price on top, right now. While seeing everybody around not doing it.

It's the exact same problem than for global warming.

Not accepting tracking is a deep and important political decision that shapes the future of our entire society. It is as important as avoiding mixing the church and the state or defending freedom of speech.

And it's also why it's not a popular view: it requires to think about what society we want to build, and not just what life we hope to have individually.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #10

The article is missing a link to the Clearview forms to request a copy of the data or request deletion: https://clearview.ai/privacy/requests

This is a case of 'never click "opt-out" on spam'. Clearview is not to be trusted. One should not go through their process. They are not likely to delete the data, and if they have none, they are likely to create a profile for you.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #24

Is it me or did anyone find the availability of photos to be less than I would have expected. It is worrisome but a facebook could produce a lot more privacy related connections from private photos no one knows existed. I guess I was expecting that.. perhaps in the future facebook will offer this service.

Almost all of those photos were from the guys personal blog and one wasn't even him.

I'd be way more worried if it was finding stuff like me in the background of someone else's photo in a crowded city or something like that.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Is it really that surprising, since all the photos are available on public sites? It seems this tool reveals the same a Google search for the name would reveal.

The only real concern I see is that it allows someone searching to go from photo to name very quickly.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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I hope somebody out there in a country that doesn't have an extradition agreement with the US breaks into their systems and publishes the list of their clients. We urgently need a big-style leak of everything these scumbags do.

Also countries should start issuing arrest warrants and sanctions against them.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR for the first time allows non profits to bring up cases. So its up to eveyone to support them. "They" have a lot of worrying cases to cope with.

Do they take donations? I'd be happy to chip in a $1000 to help destroy these scumbags.

Yes, e.g. https://noyb.eu/en
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