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Covid-19: the harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures

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interesting. this sounds reasonable given its "deaths of people who tested +ve for cv19" and not "deaths of people from complications caused by cv19" Have you got a source?

Telegraph is reporting it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...

Thanks

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You don't have to be bedridden to have lungs that are one cold away from death. People with advanced COPD etc are everywhere but can walk short distances etc and prefer cruises to schlepping through airports and whatnot. Knowing people who go on large long cruises they tell me they've never been on one where they didn't have at least one death. Indeed I know people with serious health issues who go on these knowing t…

Large ships have a lot of passengers. In the US Men hit a 2% chance of death at 68, which jumps to 3.6% at 75. At 85 that jumps to 9.6%, and by 95 your at 26% and the numbers keep increasing. This means you can’t simply look at the average age to estimate risk factors. Still a 2% risk of death per year x 3000 people = 1.15 deaths per week ignoring crew. In other words what you’re describing is still a fairly heathy p…

I don't know what your are trying to achieve here but the demographics of the cruise ships in absolutely no way represents society

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Large ships have a lot of passengers. In the US Men hit a 2% chance of death at 68, which jumps to 3.6% at 75. At 85 that jumps to 9.6%, and by 95 your at 26% and the numbers keep increasing. This means you can’t simply look at the average age to estimate risk factors. Still a 2% risk of death per year x 3000 people = 1.15 deaths per week ignoring crew. In other words what you’re describing is still a fairly heathy p…

I don't know what your are trying to achieve here but the demographics of the cruise ships in absolutely no way represents society

I am pointing out curse ship populations are actually at lower risk than society for this specific disease. The crew is all young and it’s mostly irrelevant if someone is 4 or 40 relative to people being a heathy 80 or sick 90.

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in what way? King County, WA is at 605 and growth has flatlined (without an SIP in place). Manhattan is 2.5x that at 1500+ and probably growing much faster (very high testing rate true positives compared to WA). Westchester is the worst in the country at 3k. (realistically, well over 1% of the population has been infected). The Bay Area (known to be an outbreak) is a blip comparatively - around 200 with sub-exponenti…

Where are you getting your numbers from? King County has 1277[1] confirmed cases. Whatever you were looking at 9 hours ago must be out of date. 1. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/coronavirus...

605 per million, not absolutely. King County has 2.2 million people.

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Italian here. The most probable cause for that is that these areas started being affected earlier, so the virus had more time to spread before the lockdown.

That doesn't affect cfr, which was higher even before the hospitals got overwhelmed. I suppose it's possible that Italian doctors are just generally bad, but I doubt that.

CFR is affected by the methodology with which you count the positive cases. Italy is badly underestimating the number of affected people (the head of the Civil Protection service says that we could have 10 times more cases than those accounted for).

In Italian:

https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2020/03/24/coronavirus-borrelli-...

https://www.globalist.it/science/2020/03/22/crisanti-epidemi...

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Where are you getting your numbers from? King County has 1277[1] confirmed cases. Whatever you were looking at 9 hours ago must be out of date. 1. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/coronavirus...

605 per million, not absolutely. King County has 2.2 million people.

That makes more sense. I still would not say that "No one is going to even remember Washington has an outbreak in a week's time".

It's ongoing, shelter in place has been enacted. People will still be dealing with it next week, and its impact on rural areas could also be devastating.

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Washington does as of 5:00 pm PDT today.

I've dug through everything I can find. I'm feeling really stupid at the moment, but I cannot find a confirmation of that 5pm start time, though it does appear to start today and "immediately." It runs through April 6, but could be extended. Tweet is from 6:50pm: https://twitter.com/GovInslee/status/1242267557295321090 https://medium.com/wagovernor/inslee-announces-stay-home-sta... https://www.governor.wa.gov/sites/d…

That’s when the announcement of it was broadcast, which is why I used that time.

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I've dug through everything I can find. I'm feeling really stupid at the moment, but I cannot find a confirmation of that 5pm start time, though it does appear to start today and "immediately." It runs through April 6, but could be extended. Tweet is from 6:50pm: https://twitter.com/GovInslee/status/1242267557295321090 https://medium.com/wagovernor/inslee-announces-stay-home-sta... https://www.governor.wa.gov/sites/d…

That’s when the announcement of it was broadcast, which is why I used that time.

Thanks.

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I don't know what your are trying to achieve here but the demographics of the cruise ships in absolutely no way represents society

I am pointing out curse ship populations are actually at lower risk than society for this specific disease. The crew is all young and it’s mostly irrelevant if someone is 4 or 40 relative to people being a heathy 80 or sick 90.

That's just not true. It's pretty much impossible to be 80 years old and not be more susceptible to infection generally. Statistically the people dying have an average of 2.7 comorbiditities.

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> It looks like Iceland has about 1% of its people infected. Apologies if I've misunderstood something but your link says 473 cases, which is more like 0.1% of the population.

fro the article: "deCode has published the results of a total of 5 571 tests. Those have yielded 48 positive results (0.86%)" 'deCode' is the new series that will test everyone.

Sorry, I just saw this now. Misunderstanding I was. Thank you.
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