Covid-19: the harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures

Post by marknutter » Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 4:21 PM UTC

gyulai wrote: post #269

2008guy wrote: post #267

The answer seems so obvious. Do a hard, air tight quarantine of people of advanced age. People who are borderline or sick are told to stay inside. Encourage the rest of society to go about business as usual. Provide government support for all of it. Some people will die but probably less than if we have to do this over and over again without ever gaining herd immunity. And few enough to massively ease the burden on h…

...keep in mind, that it may be the case that we're being lied to when we're told that young and healthy people have nothing to fear. The following article seems to suggest otherwise: https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describe...

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #121

usaar333 wrote: post #108

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That rate is highly unlikely to hold. There's enough stay in place restrictions in effect to drive it down after about a week or so. FWIW, at this point, it looks like NYC is going to take a huge hit and the other outbreaks (Seattle, California) will look mild comparitively.

Washington state doesn't have a statewide lockdown, I don't know if even Seattle has a lockdown. California is doing the best but there are still crowds defying the lockdown at beaches and parks. Just as much, grocery stores are open as usual and even with most people trying to do social distancing, I'm doubtful you're clamping that hard on the infection, unfortunately. I think the best is that when fatalities spike…

Post by GhostVII » Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 4:52 PM UTC

cxhandley wrote: post #329

Imagine this. Your driving down the freeway at 60 mph, accelerating at 30%. The car in front of you puts on the breaks. Before you react, you first gather your speed gun, check the deceleration rate of the car in front, then calculate based on your speed when you should put your breaks on. I'm all for the scientific approach, but in this particular instance, our survival instincts need to take precedence. Please, we…

Post by gindely » Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

michaelmcmillan wrote: post #360

cxhandley wrote: post #329

Imagine this. Your driving down the freeway at 60 mph, accelerating at 30%. The car in front of you puts on the breaks. Before you react, you first gather your speed gun, check the deceleration rate of the car in front, then calculate based on your speed when you should put your breaks on. I'm all for the scientific approach, but in this particular instance, our survival instincts need to take precedence. Please, we…

Stepping on the breaks perfectly align with what we know scientifically. People think of science as something very narrow – but it's also evidence and rationality. What China and South Korea have done works. What other alternatives do we have?

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 5:26 PM UTC

easytiger wrote: post #412

Hitton wrote: post #403

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Based on going on cruise. People who are bedridden or who can barely walk don't usually do that.

You don't have to be bedridden to have lungs that are one cold away from death. People with advanced COPD etc are everywhere but can walk short distances etc and prefer cruises to schlepping through airports and whatnot. Knowing people who go on large long cruises they tell me they've never been on one where they didn't have at least one death. Indeed I know people with serious health issues who go on these knowing t…