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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by 101404 » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:32 AM UTC

riedel wrote: post #124

Nextgrid wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no arrest warrant for Google, Facebook or ad network employees either despite them violating the GDPR on a daily basis and very large scale. Granted, the GDPR doesn't say anything about arresting offenders, but the companies should at least be investigated and fined, which isn't happening either. The GDPR is a joke.

As long as they process openly available data I do not see a difference from searching your name on the internet in terms of the gdpr. They also responded to the request (maybe not fast enough) . Deletion would be a difficult thing maybe to be fully compliant to eu regulations .if its ethical is another story...

Wrong.

PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for.

There is no "open" personal data you may just use for anything.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by lolc » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:35 AM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #120

ArnoVW wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, in Europe it is illegal to collect personally identifiable information of people without their consent. GDPR and all that. I am surprised they haven't been fined out of existence yet.

Google and Facebook are still around, so the GDPR is an absolute joke of a law that nobody cares to enforce.

You might be surprised: https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by oakesm9 » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:35 AM UTC

davedx wrote: post #106

fg6hr wrote: post #29

It's interesting how collecting or distributing files with music is a grave crime and corporations can take down anything they don't like with a half-assed DMCA request, with no repercussions for "mistakes", but a person's face image doesn't belong to that person and the same corporations can safely collect and distribute these images for profit.

YouTube takes this one step further to the ridiculous extreme that if you are live streaming a DJ set, it censors your stream in realtime whenever it detects a copyrighted song, i.e. a good 1/3 of your stream. It doesn't need a DMCA request, it does it willingly. YouTube is so horrible now for content creation, I don't understand how content creators are able to post anything anymore without it being smashed by the c…

Related Tom Scott video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

tl;dr ContentID is a workaround for a broken copyright system. It's not perfect, but it's better for everyone than falling back to the default of copyright through court.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by raverbashing » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:36 AM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #127

TrickyRick wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly, it's very much happening even if you're not reading it in the news every time.

If you search for Google, you will find one 50M fine. What is the 4% of Google revenue's again? 50M is filed under cost of doing business or the corruption budget if you are not that generous.

So you mean the small companies won't get fines of 10Mi dollars as everyone is so quick to claim here?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by lolc » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:40 AM UTC

eurekin wrote: post #122

Honest question - why is author so shocked, given that all the information was public or published by himself?

Humans don't keep track of all things that could be done. I know how what Clearview does is technically possible, but when I see it being done, it shocks me too.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by hectormalot » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:45 AM UTC

101404 wrote: post #131

riedel wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as they process openly available data I do not see a difference from searching your name on the internet in terms of the gdpr. They also responded to the request (maybe not fast enough) . Deletion would be a difficult thing maybe to be fully compliant to eu regulations .if its ethical is another story...

Wrong. PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. There is no "open" personal data you may just use for anything.

> PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for.

Not exactly. Consent is one of six allowed ways to process PII. It’s just that for advertising/tracking use its probably the only one that you can use.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by riedel » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:45 AM UTC

101404 wrote: post #131

riedel wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as they process openly available data I do not see a difference from searching your name on the internet in terms of the gdpr. They also responded to the request (maybe not fast enough) . Deletion would be a difficult thing maybe to be fully compliant to eu regulations .if its ethical is another story...

Wrong. PII may only be processed if you have explicitly consent for the exact purpose you want to use it for. There is no "open" personal data you may just use for anything.

Can you back your claim? Its true that the data is still personal but a lower level of protec to ion is applied. Except for children as i remember. There is need for notification but exceptions if not realistically feasible . Sorry on my phone with child sleeping in my arm.

Here is an article I could quickly come up with in English

https://iapp.org/news/a/publicly-available-data-under-gdpr-m...

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by herbstein » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:45 AM UTC

riedel wrote: post #124

Nextgrid wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no arrest warrant for Google, Facebook or ad network employees either despite them violating the GDPR on a daily basis and very large scale. Granted, the GDPR doesn't say anything about arresting offenders, but the companies should at least be investigated and fined, which isn't happening either. The GDPR is a joke.

As long as they process openly available data I do not see a difference from searching your name on the internet in terms of the gdpr. They also responded to the request (maybe not fast enough) . Deletion would be a difficult thing maybe to be fully compliant to eu regulations .if its ethical is another story...

Good thing I'm not relying on you for my legal questions. GDPR gives the user control over their own data, and each new use of the data requires specific consent be asked. So using PII on any person, no matter where you found it, requires explicit consent.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by a_imho » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:46 AM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #134

a_imho wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you search for Google, you will find one 50M fine. What is the 4% of Google revenue's again? 50M is filed under cost of doing business or the corruption budget if you are not that generous.

So you mean the small companies won't get fines of 10Mi dollars as everyone is so quick to claim here?

That is not what I said. I only asserted that major and repeat offenders do not get the book thrown at them.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by endorphone » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:47 AM UTC

eurekin wrote: post #122

Honest question - why is author so shocked, given that all the information was public or published by himself?

Probably because it was in disparate places and it seemed unlikely that someone would, or even could, aggregate and correlate it all with enough accuracy to not be junk.

There is a difference, or at least there conceptually was, between posting your life story and all of your thoughts on your central LinkedIn profile, versus having two dozen different "blogs" of sorts over the years, Steam accounts, Facebook, MySpace, Flickr, usenet groups that come and go and we think of as ethereal. When you see all of that stuff pulled together it could be deeply unsettling.

Of course that was foolish -- eventually networking, storage, and computation would allow for everything to be ingested, and facial identification would greatly assist in pulling it together -- but it seemed dystopian at the time.