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Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Outside of young, childless tech workers, this sudden remote work experiment is not going well for most people I know. This isn’t the controlled trial of remote work that these think pieces suggest. Instead, everyone is forcefully stuck at home without time to prepare. Parents are juggling childcare with getting work done, while fighting an uphill battle against IT systems that weren’t prepared for everyone going WFH…

I'm childless tech worker and I hate working from home. I live in very small flat and I simply don't have space to separate work/home related stuff. I'm really struggling to focus on work task and when I finally do it I have problem to stop working (and end it too late). When in office someone will always ask why I'm still working or I will get hungry and food is waiting at home so I need to leave. Also video confere…

You should have an alarm that rings at 5. Or just write a script that disconnects your company VPN at 5.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Even if the absolute numbers are lower, I would still expect to see a premium of closer to 60% for an additional bedroom.

At least on the east coast outside of actually being located in the hard urban part of the city, from what I've seen 1 and 2 bedroom apartments only end up being marginally different in price. For example, one of the places I was looking at had 1 bedroom apartments for around 1400-1500USD per month while their 2 bedroom apartments only increased in price to 1600-1800USD depending on whether you wanted a bit more squa…

Yeah this sounds about right. This is the way it should be. I mean, hell, even that is a bit pricey TBH ... rent prices are generally out of control and need to come down. People have to be able to live without cramming into places with roommates like sardines.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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I've been loving the comfort of working from home (childless), but I suspect you're right that it's not going well for most people. Most of my zoom meetings are disrupted by shrieks of needy children and a shocking number of cellphone ringing/notifications.

No sane person actually works from home with their young kids present, at least not in any real job. Until schools have their remote classes sorted out with actual teachers giving actual attention to students over video, nobody's going to be getting any quality work done.

It is not possible to give "actual attention to students over video".

There really is no such thing. Remote teaching does not, can not, and should not work for young kids. It's not a university.

(source: life)

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Outside of young, childless tech workers, this sudden remote work experiment is not going well for most people I know. This isn’t the controlled trial of remote work that these think pieces suggest. Instead, everyone is forcefully stuck at home without time to prepare. Parents are juggling childcare with getting work done, while fighting an uphill battle against IT systems that weren’t prepared for everyone going WFH…

I realized after I had kids that a huge amount of "new urbanist" thought is driven by the young and childless and does not incorporate the needs of people with children or of children themselves. This falls under the same category. Without child care or some place for the children to go, it's absolutely impossible to work from home. If only one parent works it can be done, but if both parents have to telework it's a…

We have a 9 year old.

I wouldn't call it impossible, and I've been working from home on and off for quite some time. And no, my kid isn't traumatized.

It does take some juggling with time, the 9 to 5 schedule no longer applies as you have to spend time during the day with your kid, but it's no worse than the random and useless meetings and conversations you have at work. And you have to be patient and expect interruptions.

It can be done with some discipline. You shouldn't generalize.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Children/teenagers are also losing a time of their life they will never get back. For example, if you're a junior in high school looking to get recruited to college for a spring sport, you're basically out of luck. This kind of extended hiatus from everyday life can alter entire life trajectories.

> For example, if you're a junior in high school looking to get recruited to college for a spring sport, you're basically out of luck. Isn't that same for every junior in high school? Are recruiters going to be happy to miss out an entire year?

Sure. The kids who are disadvantaged are the ones who were poised to have a breakout year this season. So recruiters just won’t notice them, as opposed to the prospects that were already known.

Basically, anyone is disadvantaged who would normally have a small window of opportunity to prove something right now.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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I've been loving the comfort of working from home (childless), but I suspect you're right that it's not going well for most people. Most of my zoom meetings are disrupted by shrieks of needy children and a shocking number of cellphone ringing/notifications.

No sane person actually works from home with their young kids present, at least not in any real job. Until schools have their remote classes sorted out with actual teachers giving actual attention to students over video, nobody's going to be getting any quality work done.

I would assume running a team of 12 people being the first time in there whole careers working from that is planning global production for a multi billion dollar business is a real job. As trying to get a bootstrapped startup of the ground.

The first case is my wife, the second one me. We have two kids. For obvious reasons I had my office at home anyway. For two weeks bow it is WFH for both of us. Plus the kids at home. Tell you what, it works. Stress, sure. But it works.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Outside of young, childless tech workers, this sudden remote work experiment is not going well for most people I know. This isn’t the controlled trial of remote work that these think pieces suggest. Instead, everyone is forcefully stuck at home without time to prepare. Parents are juggling childcare with getting work done, while fighting an uphill battle against IT systems that weren’t prepared for everyone going WFH…

I've been loving the comfort of working from home (childless), but I suspect you're right that it's not going well for most people. Most of my zoom meetings are disrupted by shrieks of needy children and a shocking number of cellphone ringing/notifications.

I’m surprised Zoom or any video conferencing system haven’t invented an AI algorithm that can only pass through your own voice and nothing else

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Outside of young, childless tech workers, this sudden remote work experiment is not going well for most people I know. This isn’t the controlled trial of remote work that these think pieces suggest. Instead, everyone is forcefully stuck at home without time to prepare. Parents are juggling childcare with getting work done, while fighting an uphill battle against IT systems that weren’t prepared for everyone going WFH…

»8:45 each weekday morning, I drop off my four-year-old at preschool, hug him goodbye, and drive back home». Well, in that case it wouldn’t be a challenge at all for us. Here kindergarten and schools are closed, and it’s quite a challenge to produce full workdays whilst taking care of two little ones at home.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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This absolutely will be the future of society. It was already happening and this will just accelerate it. Between streaming, gaming, video calling, food delivery, online dating, etc..., we're already most of the way there. Social spaces are shut down for the foreseeable future and might never recover.

As someone who's made a living in the restaurant sector most of their career, this is both terrifying but also exciting. Delivery was never the most exciting prospect because the economics were, for the most part, worse than dine-in, but in the absence of dine in maybe people will want expanded offerings? Lots of things to think about.

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