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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #82
HarryHirsch wrote: post #40

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We all made fun of South Africa's Thabo Mbeki when he recommended beetroot, garlic and other herbs to combat HIV. Turns out, we have no reason. It did happen here, on primetime TV.

The FDA approved emergency expanded access for inhaled nitric oxide a couple days ago, which has the same mechanism of action as garlic and beet root. There is actually a plausible mechanism of action there, and a bunch of in vitro research.

Post a link because I right now I have no reason to believe you.

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Post by Animats »

The paper, mentioned a few days ago on HN, from a hospital in China which successfully treats coronavirus patients on an assembly-line basis, mentioned their use of chloroquine. They use it cautiously on patients under constant care and monitoring. In a clinical setting like that, it's apparently useful.

It is not a "pop a few pills and get better" drug.

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Post by jakeinspace »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #133
post_below wrote: post #28

A bit more info: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-in... Also happening in Nigeria: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/23/headlines/two_nigeria... Note that there doesn't appear to be any evidence yet that chloroquine is effective in COVID-19 treatment. So far it has been studied only for other types of coronavirus.

>Note that there doesn't appear to be any evidence yet that chloroquine is effective in COVID-19 treatment. So far it has been studied only for other types of coronavirus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32173110 That's incorrect. I don't know how these people died from taking chloroquine phosphate, it is quite safe when taken in normal dosages. What they had may have been contaminated (since it seems to be for a…

Maybe, but I didn't see a linked paper (I could've missed it).

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Post by mmhsieh »

mattkrause wrote: post #73
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

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Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

Do you have an exact quote from Henry II where he asks someone to murder Thomas Becket?

or an exact quote when George bush said there were WMDs in Iraq?

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Post by rbanffy »

halyconWays wrote: post #101
jonny_eh wrote: post #80

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> it’s going to get people killed Like the man that the article is about?

President talks about the preliminary reports that HCQ is working for treating COVID-19 around the world. It might be a good treatment here. People freak out. "Preliminary doesn't mean proven!" Man self-medicates with HCQ and dies. President's fault??

President shouldn't talk about things he clearly doesn't understand. Compare this to how Obama used to measure every single word he said.

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Post by jedimastert »

wildrhythms wrote: post #89
pkaye wrote: post #81

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Acetaminophen is also easy to overdose and has been recommended as a fever reducer for Coronavirus.

Who is recommending acetaminophen for coronavirus fever reduction? Provide a source.

Vox, for one

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/19/21177527/corona...

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Post by DagAgren »

orblivion wrote: post #86
topher200 wrote: post #46

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> Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it “hydroxy-.” Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Now, this is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis. If somebody has pretty serious arthritis, also uses this in a somewhat different form. But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part i…

I'm reading "This drug is gonna be great." I'm not reading "take this drug without your doctor's orders".

And do you think that is what every other person is reading?

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Post by nethergh0st »

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

I watched all of the press conferences. He never recommended it. He said that it showed promise and he had high hopes that it would work. One day he even clearly said that it might or it might not work.

This is hardly what I call a recommendation.

The point was to give the American people some hope that we are on the right track to finding something that helps.

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Post by Alex3917 »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #151
Alex3917 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FDA approved emergency expanded access for inhaled nitric oxide a couple days ago, which has the same mechanism of action as garlic and beet root. There is actually a plausible mechanism of action there, and a bunch of in vitro research.

Post a link because I right now I have no reason to believe you.

I posted links to one of the in vitro studies here, and in the comments I posted the press release for the FDA approval:

https://www.reddit.com/r/covid19stack

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Post by otterley »

halyconWays wrote: post #101
jonny_eh wrote: post #80

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> it’s going to get people killed Like the man that the article is about?

President talks about the preliminary reports that HCQ is working for treating COVID-19 around the world. It might be a good treatment here. People freak out. "Preliminary doesn't mean proven!" Man self-medicates with HCQ and dies. President's fault??

Yes, I think so. People grew up to trust institutions, and for decades they had good reason to (at least in the subjects of public health and safety). Who's to blame when after decades -- no, centuries -- we elect a leader who makes false claims that are counter to medical science -- and potentially hazardous, if followed, to the public health? The victim, or the authority?

I know which party I blame.

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