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Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.

If the flu caused the kind of havoc to our medical systems that COVID is causing, I'd want this rolled out for the flu, too.

flu already was wreaking massive havoc, it's just a cost we've internalized. Like driving.

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I'm in Taiwan in day 6 of home quarantine right now. We get a call every morning to check up on our health. I don't mind it, it's a simple and effective method and it gives me confidence in the government and society, knowing that everyone is taking the situation seriously. Once I'm out of quarantine, I can feel comfortable being outside living a normal life, knowing that all known potential carriers are contained.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Yuval Noah Harari (author of Sapiens) wrote a piece [1] on how we're now facing a choice between authoritarian surveillance and citizen empowerment, and how a decision made in this crisis could set the standard for the future. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcc...

>and how a decision made in this crisis could set the standard for the future

This here is really the problem, none of these emergency changes should necessarily become permanent. Income tax started out as a war fund some one or two hundred years ago...

But I sense we are fighting human nature.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

#34

I'm in Taiwan in day 6 of home quarantine right now. We get a call every morning to check up on our health. I don't mind it, it's a simple and effective method and it gives me confidence in the government and society, knowing that everyone is taking the situation seriously. Once I'm out of quarantine, I can feel comfortable being outside living a normal life, knowing that all known potential carriers are contained.

How did they get your information for the daily call? Just curious. Is everyone required to submit contact information? Or did they already have the required contact info for daily health checkups?

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Why would such a mechanism of control incentivize those that feel sick to report their symptoms? Why would one submit to control at this level?

This sound similar to ankle-bracelet-level Parole / house arrest structures. In fact, I'd prefer that because it would only be providing a single source of sensor data to the government instead of possibly making my entire phone and location history accessible.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

#36
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other non-first-world countries Taiwan has been first world since the 1950’s (just to clarify to others reading the thread).

Yeah, what the hell? Maybe the guy got Taiwan confused with Thailand?

Many people don’t know what first world means and think it means “Europe and the US”

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

#37

I'm in Taiwan in day 6 of home quarantine right now. We get a call every morning to check up on our health. I don't mind it, it's a simple and effective method and it gives me confidence in the government and society, knowing that everyone is taking the situation seriously. Once I'm out of quarantine, I can feel comfortable being outside living a normal life, knowing that all known potential carriers are contained.

For instance... do you need a government issued ID to get a SIM card for a cell phone?

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

#38
post #7

Taiwan doing this = effective. china doing this = creepy. however, probably necessary in both cases. perhaps a rhetorical cease-fire globally would benefit us all.

One of those countries is an authoritarian "communist" state with a well oiled dissent suppression machine.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

#39
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> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…

We also hope the kind of isolation we're currently living under to avoid COVID-19 spreading doesn't become normalized. These two special circumstances could probably remain tied together.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…

People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.

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