Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a Chinese person in Singapore who had PR and refused to follow the quarantine order. They took away his PR status.
PR?
Permanent Residence
thats good. Rules are rules, especially in these times.
Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring
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#12> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
I would be ok with this variation: lower physical check frequency, bigger fines.
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#13Taiwan doing this = effective. china doing this = creepy. however, probably necessary in both cases. perhaps a rhetorical cease-fire globally would benefit us all.
It is probably both effective and creepy in both countries. The article even talks about how some find it creepy:
> Taiwan’s electronic fence has drawn some complaints for its intrusiveness.
> “It’s creepy that the government is teaming up with telecommunications companies to track our phones,” said a flight attendant in Taipei who was put under 14-day quarantine after returning from Europe in mid-March.
> The woman, who identified herself as Xiaomei, said she was scolded by a local administrator after failing to pick up a check-in phone call in the morning when she was asleep.
> “They said the police will come to me if I missed another phone call,” she said. “I’m treated like a prisoner.”
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#14Like other people are saying, there's definitely ways around this. The only reason why Taiwan has been so successful in battling Coronavirus is that there is national pride in acting as a whole and doing what's best for society. There is huge shame to the family for people who defy. Taiwanese people generally know what helps society and when to listen. It is the cultural influence/mix of Chinese and Japanese governments which are deeply ingrained. Source, I am Taiwanese.
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#15> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary.
Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.
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#16> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
I would be ok with this variation: lower physical check frequency, bigger fines.
That approach doesn't comport with human psychology. A higher probability of getting caught is far more deterrent than a higher punishment. This is why the parole system needs to be reformed to be "swift, certain, and fair". https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2015-09-09/-swift...
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#17> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.
If the flu caused the kind of havoc to our medical systems that COVID is causing, I'd want this rolled out for the flu, too.
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#18> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
> other non-first-world countries
Taiwan has been first world since the 1950’s (just to clarify to others reading the thread).
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#19> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.
Of course they love it, the inconvenience it causes is nothing compared to the economic and health impacts of the virus.
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#20> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…
People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.
Authoritarianism is occasionally useful when collective action is necessary to prevent a major disaster. Individual people have a tendency to take everything they can, like in cases where entire stores have been bought out of meat or toilet paper or cleaning supplies. An authoritarian approach of dictating what a person can and cannot do at a very fine-grained level can prevent these things from happening. For example, rationing is currently very popular as a way to maintain stocks of toilet paper for people who need it.
The key here is that we understand it to be for the common good. Whereas most authoritarianism is to force people to fit the same mold, here it has an application in keeping people from hurting each other by their actions.