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Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Yuval Noah Harari (author of Sapiens) wrote a piece [1] on how we're now facing a choice between authoritarian surveillance and citizen empowerment, and how a decision made in this crisis could set the standard for the future.

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcc...

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fifth paragraph: "Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home."

good thing phone forwarding isn't a thing

The threat here is more "I'll just run to the store real quick; nobody will even know" than "We need to thwart determined criminal masterminds."

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> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…

> other non-first-world countries Taiwan has been first world since the 1950’s (just to clarify to others reading the thread).

Yeah, what the hell? Maybe the guy got Taiwan confused with Thailand?

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Like other people are saying, there's definitely ways around this. The only reason why Taiwan has been so successful in battling Coronavirus is that there is national pride in acting as a whole and doing what's best for society. There is huge shame to the family for people who defy. Taiwanese people generally know what helps society and when to listen. It is the cultural influence/mix of Chinese and Japanese governme…

I envy you.

I am American. I live near, and teach at, a large state university -- which has closed for the spring semester and moved to online instruction.

This past Friday there was a house party across the street -- presumably all students. Usually I am very chill, but this time I called the cops.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

good thing phone forwarding isn't a thing

The threat here is more "I'll just run to the store real quick; nobody will even know" than "We need to thwart determined criminal masterminds."

yes, of course.

i was just responding in the tone of the thread

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Tracking like this has been one of the reasons for Singapores success to curbing the virus. https://www.therakyatpost.com/2020/03/23/what-malaysia-can-l... ""If people don’t have symptoms, they’re put in home quarantine. And home quarantine is very strict. A couple times a day, you’ll get an SMS and you have to click on a link that will show where your phone is. In case you cheat and leave your phone at home with som…

There was a Chinese person in Singapore who had PR and refused to follow the quarantine order. They took away his PR status.

Not only was the person's Permanent Residency revoked, but he was barred from re-entering Singapore even as a tourist: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coron...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.

If the flu caused the kind of havoc to our medical systems that COVID is causing, I'd want this rolled out for the flu, too.

The flu is no slouch. I’m cherry picking a bit but for the US in 2017-2018:

“CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2017–2018 season was high with an estimated 45 million people getting sick with influenza, 21 million people going to a health care provider, 810,000 hospitalizations, and 61,000 deaths from influenza.”

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

The panic is at least in part responsible for the present havoc that has been caused to the healthcare system (again in the US). Forecast havoc is all disease.

Interesting side effect of the social distancing is that it has materially reduced influenza numbers as well. Take a look at some of the recent stats at https://healthweather.us. Many states are dropping below average fever counts.

Except Florida.

Re: Taiwan's new 'electronic fence' for quarantines leads wave of virus monitoring

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> The system monitors phone signals to alert police and local officials if those in home quarantine move away from their address or turn off their phones. Jyan said authorities will contact or visit those who trigger an alert within 15 minutes. > Officials also call twice a day to ensure people don’t avoid tracking by leaving their phones at home. I'd hate this so much. I get why they feel it's necessary, I do. But I…

People love it. The amazing shift in online rhetoric that praises authoritarianism is scary. Imagine this being rolled out for the flu.

Generally, in the case of truly existential risk (IE, "everybody in the world will die if we don't do this thing") people accept the idea that authoritarianism (or rather, strong political powers overriding normal privacy concerns) are generally considered acceptable. covid itself is not an existential risk (nobody believes it will kill everybody, or kill enough people to make it impossible for the surivors to live), but the effects of long-term economic shutdown could pose a very serious risk.

What we want to avoid is stupid responses; for example, for all the people complaining that you needed an ID to travel on an airplane domestically in the US after 9/11, the real problems were the increased security theater- unnecessary changes that mainly existed to make people feel confident while travelling.

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