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GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Well there are about to be a lot of real situations.

For one specific type of illness. But we do not need staff that knows how to handle only rare exceptions, and that is the problem.

Training people to respond to this one situation so that they can respond to this one situation is fine. After covid19 is resolved they wont be needed anyway.

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CPAP machines technically can't but CPAP has become a generic term that also encompasses bi-level/APAP machines that can swing pressure fast enough to track inhalation/exhalation. Both mine do. They're not that old but they're not top-end either. I don't know how many active machines are pre-APAP/BiPAP/A-Flex (there are different names for it). A comment below says 90% but this seems very high to me. I wonder if it's…

Very interesting, thanks. If that is the case then it may indeed simply be a software thing. Specifically for treating ARDS you need: -High PEEP (obviously any CPAP machine can do this) -Low plateau pressure (probably possible, that's just software) -Low tidal volume and high breathing rate. Breathing rate is just a cycling variable so should be software only issue. Managing low tidal volume will require the machines…

Yes, they all have flow sensors. They track vast quantities of data, in fact they track and record the flow of every breath on SD card and can upload that data via Bluetooth.

There's an open source app called SleepyHead that can show you all the data in detail. It appears the maintainer burned out but the downloads are still available.

So it seems modern CPAP has all that's needed? Doctors can even monitor it remotely or via the cloud. It's intended to let clinics monitor patient progress without needing visits, so it's all pretty easy to use.

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> With enough time (10 years is way more than enough), a vaccine will be developed and deployed Based on what? It’s been more than 10 since SARS and we still don’t have a vaccine. I think you’re making a lot of assumptions about immunization when it is far, far too early to know. Also, the point is that we don’t want to be quarantined for 10 years, we want to build the capacity now.

They probably never developed a SARS vaccine because it didn't turn into a major worldwide pandemic. There's lots of diseases that don't have vaccines mainly because it's seen as not worth the effort or cost. SARS and MERS looked scary at first but never got this big.

As an addition here, look at Ebola. It was perfectly feasible to create a vaccine, but no one bothered as long as it was confined to Africa. As soon as white people in western nations started getting it, then suddenly there was a huge effort to create a vaccine.

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Well, you know my conclusions. I'd disagree with your claim that you've responded (in my view your "Aaah you're attacking me" is just a deflection), but as I've written, I'm walking away. Enjoy that cognitive dissonance!

There's no cognitive dissonance. Just a lot of disappointment every time I read the facts behind the latest "scandal" and find that it's just anti-Trump spin. Let's not bring that nonsense here. Let's discuss facts and evidence and make an effort to put partisanship aside.

Hah, how high and mighty. I try to discuss facts and evidence and you just deflect and consider it spin... Of course, you get to leave feeling like the person you're arguing is was just "spinning" stuff, and with your perceptions intact, because, hey "I can't be a chump, right, I'm too clever to be one!", right?

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There’s very good reason to panic early when dealing with an exponentially growing threat: https://youtu.be/e2Kga5HeAqk

Exactly. I don't understand why people are so avert to the word "panic". Extreme situations require extreme measures, which sure as hell look like "panic". If somebody is shooting at you - you're expected to panic and run and hide.

"Panic" is associated to irrational decision making, and is usually not what produces the best outcome. This is why there is a lot of training provided to professionals and even everyday people in potentially serious situations. If a plane crashes, they don't want you to panic and storm your way out of the plane, you'll just end up putting more lives at risk.

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China instituted massive lockdowns. People are suspect of Japan’s numbers. You need to compare rate of growth, not the current number. Otherwise you are arguing that a Camry at 60mph is faster than a parked jet.

China's 'massive lockdowns' didn't work... The virus spread throughout the world. It was never isolated in China. It isn't causing that many deaths anywhere (except in pockets of older demographics... either crammed together in nursing homes or Italian apartment towers.) The numbers are pretty straightforward. Two months ago, I was concerned. Now, I'm disgusted.

I can't tell if you're an idiot or a troll. Some of each, I guess.

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My feeling is that we should be focusing on training up medical people on a massive scale, as that's something that the USA is notoriously bad at Or just lock down nationally now, including full lockdown in major cities, and none of this will be necessary. The only reason this is going to get out of control in the US is the lack of testing and the lack of controls being imposed. By the time they are imposed, it will…

I agree with you... last week. I mean, sure, we should lock down now, but my feeling is that it's mostly too late for the urban areas. The rural areas might have a chance... they need to lock down hard right now. But... from talking to rural family... I'm not sure that's culturally possible.

Yes you're probably right.

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'Their Optical Section performs optical alignment on shafting, masts, and other equipment.' That's me! Norfolk Naval Station is just one shipyard in the area. There are similar yards with all of the same equipment. BAE/Colanna/NASSCO/NNSY/Lyons/ECSR. It's the same story in San Diego, Pascagula, Jacksonville, Hawaii.

Cool! That's the cleanest link I came across to illustrate the point. I think people forget how much end-to-end manufacturing capability the military retains (especially the Navy), even in these days of outsourced procurement pressure.

Required to buy from USA manufacturers for nearly every thing. There are a substantial number of small shops supporting the US Navy.
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