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Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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I ended up cooking for next to nothing by accident one time. I didn't notice it until I discover all my money was still in the bank end of the month. To make things more ironic my goal was to create superior food which absolutely worked. The main invention was this: For most meals we take a bunch of ingredients and mix them into a deliciously flavored mix and give it fancy names. The grand mistake we made is that the…

Yeah my cousin has been dong this for years. He started as a way to feed homeless people at scale but downsized the pizzas and started doing it at home too.

Right, I can imagine one would come to something similar in that settings. It was much less noble but a lot more funny getting there from the other end. The mileage you get out of a single carrot using 1 slice every other day. 1 cm from a 4 euro 40 cm salami sausage is 10 cents. I use it ideally on 1/3 of the pizzas. Its not enough to finish it before it expires.

We don't have that many homeless people in the Netherlands but I've been pondering a business plan for a free or crazy cheap restaurant. There are lots of weird legal constructs if people are not buying food. It is the moment you start selling a product it becomes a business.

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I'm curious about your writing, could you link to where I can find some of it?

http://apocalypsethememoir.com/ (from her profile https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=chantelles )

The BookBaby links there were timing out for me, but I found it at https://store.bookbaby.com/book/apocalypse-the-memoir

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I'm pretty sure you would be correct. The cost (assuming you have at least a minimal amount of equipment--including an oven obviously) is basically the flour (which, as you say, can be hard to find right now). A 5 pound bag of flour is normally around $4-$5 in the US, and a large boule (5 cups of flour) takes about 600 grams (~1.5 pounds) of flour, so maybe $1.50. The other ingredients in a basic loaf are negligible…

Is this some kind of specialist flour? 1 USD per pound seems high.

King Arthur flour (one of the big national brands) at Walmart in 5 pound bags. They probably have their own brand which is cheaper.

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"These recipes will be based on Potatoes, Milk, Flour, Eggs, and Kale. (Honorable mention to Pinto Beans and Carrots)" Been a week since I saw any of those in shops, and can't recall the last time I saw kale. As always the cheap staple foods and tins are the first to go in panic buying and you just know that all the stuff we usual meh at and lob into the food bank box's are the exact stuff people are now stocking and…

Where are you living? I’m in Seattle, which, as far as covid-19 impact goes, is easily at-or-near the top of the list of impacted cities. I have not seen a shortage of anything aside from Clorox wipes in any of the groceries around me. It’s surprising to me reading about such shortages, especially in less impacted cities. Maybe the panic factor is higher for those who aren’t directly in the midst of it?

The Newton Kansas Walmart has been out of a lot of stuff for a while. Like all the beans, rice, bread, sugar, flour, facial tissue, toilet paper, vitamin c, hand sanitizer, detergent, potatoes... They get stock daily, but within an hour or so it's cleaned out again. Definitely panic buying.

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No-Knead bread is a godsend on every level: taste, cost, ease. Even the worst loaf I’ve made is amongst the bread I’ve ever tasted, for ~ 15 min of unskilled effort.

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430g Flour (3.5 cups) .5 gram of yeast (1/4t) 9g salt (1.5t) 320g ~70° water (~ 1.33 cup)

Mix the dry stuff then stir in water. Cover the bowl with a big piece of parchment paper and let it sit on the counter for 12-36 hours.

Uncover, dust some flour on the parchment and use it as a work surface. Use a wet spatula to fold it in on itself a few times, and dust flour to keep it from sticking to itself or the paper.

Leave it for 2-4 hours, then lower the whole piece of paper into a dutch oven you’ve pre-heated as hot as your oven will go. Bake for 30 min with the cover on, then without for 15-30+ min to crisp the outside. Go darker than you expect.

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You’ll find a million variations but same principles: 1) use fermentation to develop both flavor (ala sour dough) and the gluten strands, obviating need to maintain a sourdough starter or to manually knead it 2) bake it in effectively a very small and super hot oven, using the excess moisture in the dough to steam it then, when finished uncovered, cooks the already near-finished bread in a really hot oven to create an ideal crust. This cleverly mimics two features of commercial ovens unavailable to home cooks: steam baking and ultra high heat.

The cheapest all purpose white is ideal too, putting a loaf at what, 50 cents? I’ve gleefully lived off these loaves multiple days with some butter, cheese, anchovies etc.

Fun side benefit: having a glut of delicious bread got me to start making a lot of crostini (aka tartine, toasts, etc), which are great vehicle to quickly experiment with flavor combinations and techniques. It helped me develop as a cook immensely.

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Its worth clarifying that the article is specifically addressing the fallout from the pandemic: Unemployment and poverty due to failing economies and shuttered restaurants and bars. In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. worth posting, a…

I'm curious if anyone has numbers on how much a homemade sourdough loaf costs on average. My experience is that flour is quite expensive (and currently not available in UK shops). I've also noticed a spike in electricity costs since we've started baking regularly. (Difficult to calculate exactly) My guess is that baking your own is a bit cheaper than going to some artisanal baker, but a lot more expensive than a stan…

Home ovens use something similar to 2KW to run for an hour.

(it's gonna vary between models and temperatures and so on, I think 2KW is good enough for the sake of discussion)

So from there, 5KW or so is probably a good upper limit for a bread cooking cycle (it's probably less than that). Here that's ~$0.50, and then small retail packages of flour are ~$0.50 a pound. $0.25 for yeast, and trivial amounts of salt/sugar.

So (here) 2 large loaves of bread is less than $2 of ingredients and energy.

Flour is out of stock on the online store I just checked here also.

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If you have a way of measuring your body fat to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can ration your food by knowing how much stored body fat your body can convert into energy per day. Your body can convert roughly 0.9% of your body fat into energy in a day. So if you're 180lbs with 33% body fat, you have 60 lbs of fat on you. You should be able to convert ~0.54lbs into energy, which at ~3500 kcal per lbs comes out t…

Are you certain it only subtracts from fat? From my understanding, you will also lose muscle too (especially without exercise)

The body has a very strong preference for burning fat rather than muscle. Breaking down muscle for energy is a last resort. The reason why conventional wisdom says you can't lose fat without losing muscle is because most diets put the dieter into a larger calorie deficit than the body can support through burning stored body fat. The 0.9% number is very important here. Go over it, and yes, your body will try to find energy elsewhere which includes your muscles. That's why I said to start with a 50% margin of safety. Also it's important to keep in mind that the body isn't a set of binary switches. There are many feedback loops, buffers, and redundant systems beyond the simple model I presented, which is another reason to not go 100% on this. 50% though will help ration food out for a longer period of time without getting into a situation at the end of the crisis period with too large of a calorie deficit to function properly or to prevent muscle breakdown.

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post #213

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Is this some kind of specialist flour? 1 USD per pound seems high.

King Arthur flour (one of the big national brands) at Walmart in 5 pound bags. They probably have their own brand which is cheaper.

Great Value flour here lists for ~$0.22 a pound in a 5 pound bag. Website says they are out of stock though.

(Great Value is the Walmart store brand)

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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post #28

Its worth clarifying that the article is specifically addressing the fallout from the pandemic: Unemployment and poverty due to failing economies and shuttered restaurants and bars. In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. worth posting, a…

> In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. On the contrary, food stamps (SNAP) is pretty much the only federal welfare program that covers everyone based only on need (i.e. low enough assets and income). There is a 3-month limit for many pe…

(e.g. able-bodied males who don't have kids)

I doubt it is gender specific.

that being said a better safety net is needed. A savings account started in high school would be nice as well.

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I don't think I've discussed my weight before here. I once lost 65lbs over 8 months by eating two small meals a day. I went "cold turkey" in to that diet, and the first week sucked, but I got through it. I transitioned to a normal diet after that and maintained my weight for a year and half until I got a job that stressed me out and I stress-ate. I got sick a month ago (symptoms unlrelated to COVID) and couldn't keep…

One thing that helps me to this day is to remember that being hungry is normal. When people are hungry for something they have drive and are motivated. I find being hungry every day (for at least an hour or two) before my single meal makes my food taste so much better. I experiment with very light mid day meals at times. Nothing more than 2 fried eggs and maybe some saute'd onions with it. (I am hunger an hour or aft…

Thank you.

Prior to this (a few months ago), I noticed that I was overeating just to maintain the feeling of being full/stuffed. I knew that was unhealthy, but I just wanted to feel good because I was going through probably the highest-stress time of my life.

Luckily things are much better now. Even with this virus going around, I should be pretty well off.

On this new attempt, the only time the hunger seems to become annoying is in the late evening. My solution: go to bed. I can't be hungry if I'm asleep, and when I wake up, I can eat my first meal.

It's going to take some mental adjustments, but I think I'll be able to adjust to not noticing minor hunger and not desiring the feeling of being full.

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