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Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#81
I ended up cooking for next to nothing by accident one time. I didn't notice it until I discover all my money was still in the bank end of the month.

To make things more ironic my goal was to create superior food which absolutely worked.

The main invention was this: For most meals we take a bunch of ingredients and mix them into a deliciously flavored mix and give it fancy names. The grand mistake we made is that the entire meal tastes the same. The second mistake is that every ingredient we use really is an experience to eat in it self. Every 2 ingredients offer 3 different experiences. A, B and A+B

With 3 ingredients you get A, B, C, AB, AC, BC! Thats 6!

With 4 ingredients you get A,B,C,D,AB,AC,AD,BC,BD,CD! Thats 10!

So I needed some kind of structured platform to carefully plan out this adventure. Pizza was my medium of choice but an oven dish should work too. (I make small 25 cm pizzas)

So I got the Gouda, the mozzarella, the camembert and the goat cheese. (there are many more of course) (4)

I got some varieties of mushrooms. (2)

I got some meat, chicken, bacon, salami, ham. (4)

I got some different kinds of fish. (3)

Some fruit is fine too. (2)

But the largest diversity of tastes are in the vegetables(!)(20?)

The "problem" the above presents is that you cant put a lot of anything on there. My pizza is only 25 cm or 490 cm2. Lets say there are 60 bites on it. The goal was to zone it into an adventure of identifiable tastes. More than 4 flavors per bite would ruin the experience.

With 35 different ingredients..., at least 1 slice of olive (or it isn't a pizza) oregano, thyme, basil, onion, garlic, slices of red pepper, black pepper, cayenne pepper.... you just have to many combinations to put everything on it.

Each pizza will have to be a sub set.

I know it instinctively feels weird and disgusting to put a slices of carrot on the pizza but in practice it really takes the journey of flavors some place else. You wouldn't want 3 bites of it but the single bite really creates an additional moment of "oh?" (hilarious note: guests feel the need to tell me the pizza is delicious roughly every 3rd bite)

I just buy different boxes of frozen vegetables but you could cook or bake and/or freeze your own.

We (there is a "we" now) (bake if needed then) sparsely spread the sub-selection of meat and/or fish over their own region. Take a hand full of vegetables mix and place each chunk strategically. Put a lot of thought into the adventure and improve it every time. Take the minimum amount of each cheese you've picked and spread it into similar regions as the meat so that they overlap.

Really put a lot of thought into it. It helps if you look at an ingredient and ask yourself what kind of meals are prepared with it. Then you take the [for example] chunk of cauliflower, put 2 cubes of potato next to it and some Gouda on top.

The end result should be a slab of flour with vegetables on it, good spices and as little meat, fish and cheese as possible. Not because meat, fish or cheese are not wonderful but because they get in the way of the vegetable flavors.

Being cheep as fuck is just a side effect.

The only down side is that you have to keep making pizza 2 or 3 times per day week after week after week. It never gets boring tho.

Final note: Keep as much stuff frozen as you can or your adventure ends up chasing expiration dates.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#83
If you have a way of measuring your body fat to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can ration your food by knowing how much stored body fat your body can convert into energy per day. Your body can convert roughly 0.9% of your body fat into energy in a day. So if you're 180lbs with 33% body fat, you have 60 lbs of fat on you. You should be able to convert ~0.54lbs into energy, which at ~3500 kcal per lbs comes out to 1890 kcal being the maximum calorie deficit you can overcome with just stored body fat. Subtract that from your daily calorie expenditure (another messy estimate) to get how many calories you need to consume to avoid muscle breakdown and energy crashes.

Keep in mind that every person's body and metabolic system is unique so you'll want to put in a generous error buffer. I'd cut the calorie deficit by half, at least to start with. Also notice that each day your total stored body fat will be less, so the number of calories your body can extract from that stored fat will also be less.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615/

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#84
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Its worth clarifying that the article is specifically addressing the fallout from the pandemic: Unemployment and poverty due to failing economies and shuttered restaurants and bars. In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. worth posting, a…

Most Americans live in a state where unemployment benefits is easily enough for food.

Personally unemployment insurance does not cover my rent. It’s enough to stretch out savings dramatically, but saving on food budget would then be even more important. Especially if you’re considering cashing in some 401k stocks in a down market.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#85

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Does the UK also have price gouging laws in this crisis? Those are what produce the empty shelves.

yeah, much better to have £100/dozen eggs. That way, at least they'll be on the shelves so rich people can still have them.

I saw one ad for hand sanitizer where 1 bottle was regular price, 2 bottles was 100x price. I support that kind of "price gouging."

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#87
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many more people who can save but don’t than there are people who genuinely can’t save.

They have no bearing on those who can't. The people who can't still need food.

There are people who live in situations where they have no stove or no room in or access to a fridge. Historically many people got food from the market each day.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#88
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It's a quarantine not an apocalypse.

Truth. But, people aren’t thinking clearly. Two things could make this situation a lot worse. 1. A worker strike because of panic, or overwork, or opportunity, or inequality, or whatever. I hope everyone has realized the truck drivers and shelf stockers are way more important than Hollywood celebs. But I wouldn’t “rely” on shelves just being magically stocked as panic increases. There is unfortunately a smug level of…

I agree 100%. Hurricane season will start before we're through this. You've still got tornadoes in the midwest. We could have major storms/flooding. All the normal disaster risks are still here.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#89

If you have a way of measuring your body fat to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can ration your food by knowing how much stored body fat your body can convert into energy per day. Your body can convert roughly 0.9% of your body fat into energy in a day. So if you're 180lbs with 33% body fat, you have 60 lbs of fat on you. You should be able to convert ~0.54lbs into energy, which at ~3500 kcal per lbs comes out t…

Are you certain it only subtracts from fat? From my understanding, you will also lose muscle too (especially without exercise)

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#90

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This is good advice for people who make a living wage. But for many people, an emergency fund is a luxury. I remember not too long ago when I had to decide between paying utilities and buying food. Every single month. Saving just wasn't an option. Many of my friends and family are still in this position, and they've all lost their jobs simultaneously. I'm not surprised that people are scared right now, because they'r…

You're literally commenting on an article called "Eat for $1.50 per day". If you can't, over years of plenty, build up a few weeks reserve then we're having a different discussion because a mere broken bone or car battery failure will then wipe out your independence. And yes there are people in that situation. But most people are a little beyond that. And even those WAY beyond that are helpless and dependent on rushe…

I agree with this. For most of my adult life, I lived paycheck to paycheck. And when I look back on my earlier years, I didn't have to. There were opportunities to start building up a reserve, and I failed to recognize them or take them. And when the previous recession hit, I learned the hard way fast that having no reserve can quickly lead to bad times.

In addition to your point, I'd dare say that one has a duty to his fellows to build up a small reserve during times of plenty, not just of monies, but basic living supplies, like food, water, hygiene products. When one has just a bit more security of his own, he's better able to help others. One's less likely to panic buy and contribute to a shortage. It's easier to remain calm when others are freaking out. The reduced stress makes it easier to not get sick(er) and remain as able-bodied as one is normally. And that's the kind of person I'd want as a neighbor or part of my community in a crisis.

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