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Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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If you have a way of measuring your body fat to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can ration your food by knowing how much stored body fat your body can convert into energy per day. Your body can convert roughly 0.9% of your body fat into energy in a day. So if you're 180lbs with 33% body fat, you have 60 lbs of fat on you. You should be able to convert ~0.54lbs into energy, which at ~3500 kcal per lbs comes out t…

As an aside, it is striking that we are discussing this strategy on this forum and that it's actually decently-accepted advice given the current context.

What a world ahead of us all.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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In the US that's debatable. We wash our eggs before selling, but I guess we also wash off the bacteria in the process? I've personally kept eggs on the counter for weeks and not gotten sick, but the taste might have been a little off.

the biggest issue is fresh eggs that have chicken guano on them. the bacteria can move through the pores of the shell and produce toxins in the egg, the egg itself has enzymes [lysozymes] that attack bacteria, but not perfectly

I see the logic there, but since whole EU and much more (ie Switzerland) works on purely non-washed non-refrigerated eggs, and nobody bats an eye, I think this concern is overblown. I mean we talk about trillions of eggs over the time. You should rather worry about toxic chemicals present (hopefully only) in non-BIO eggs, those are rather guaranteed

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Its worth clarifying that the article is specifically addressing the fallout from the pandemic: Unemployment and poverty due to failing economies and shuttered restaurants and bars. In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. worth posting, a…

> In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. On the contrary, food stamps (SNAP) is pretty much the only federal welfare program that covers everyone based only on need (i.e. low enough assets and income). There is a 3-month limit for many pe…

> states have the power to extend it in times/locations of high unemployment

The federal government under Trump took some of this ability away in December, with changes targeted to take effect April 1st. The plan was that roughly 700,000 people would lose the ability to receive food stamps in order to, according to Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, "restore the dignity of work to a sizable segment of our population." I wish I was making that up.

Today, the unemployment rate is likely to spike so high just about everywhere that the new rules will probably not make a difference, but it's important to keep in mind that there's a portion of the US body politic that is happy to see some people go hungry, as long as it's the right people.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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1. Many people live in studios and don't have a kitchen 2. Here in SF and every other city I lived ground beef is $9-10/lb

$9-10/lb for ground beef is 3x what I buy it for in SF.

Costco is obviously cheaper but you need a subscription and you need to commute there.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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"In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed." This is where a legitimate government worth the trust of the people would say, "Do not worry America, we will feed you," and do whatever it took, including mobilizing the National Guard, to distrib…

California literally has the National Guard supporting food banks across the state right now: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus-governor-... I agree with your overall sentiment that we would benefit right now from inspirational leadership with strong messages of solidarity. But at the same time, it's not all doom and gloom. There's a lot of good happening as well.

California is and always has been an outlier when it comes to using government resources to help and protect people.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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post #47

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Flour and Sugar are also gone here. Bread is limited supply

I find it funny that we can find plenty of bread but flour is a completely different story. I'm a little surprised the demand - I recognize how useful flour is, but I'm surprised so many people actually feel confident enough to do anything with it (not that baking is that uncommon, but I only know a few people who know how to stuff like bake bread). On the other hand I guess it is the perfect time learn

Under normal circumstances I make a loaf of bread every other day for sandwiches, using a bread making machine. So that is 500g of flour, 350ml water, 25g butter, 1 tsp of yeast, 1.5 tsp sugar, 1.25 tsp of salt.

My 'peacetime' rationale is to have fresh bread with no additives in it. There are spin off benefits such as the baking smell.

Over the last decade I have worked in different companies and never met another person with a home baking of bread routine. Sure some people have a bread making machine in the loft or have a mum that does it on occasion but making bread from flour is a rare thing in the UK.

So what is going on with the supply?

Truth is that bread flour is not a fast moving item. If I buy a 1kg bag on a Monday and another on a Friday then there won't have been a lot of restocking in between. I will be buying from the same batch.

Therefore it does not take a lot of panic buyers to take all the stock off the shelves for the few people who regularly buy to find themselves with 'flour anxiety'. If you do use a kilo or two of flour a week then you don't have more than two to three kilos on hand. This will be for variety, e.g. strong white and wholemeal, which can be combined with something else, e.g. spelt or granary, for variety.

In truth flour does not keep indefinitely, it will develop a horrible taste over time or even get weevils. Flour is also heavy, so if you have to carry your shopping by bicycle or on foot then you are not buying sacks of the stuff.

Car drivers with large boots/trunks can behave like a horde of locusts, snapping up vast quantities of items like flour that don't cost them a lot to pay for, store or carry. Meanwhile, people who are buying flour partly due to reasons of making their bread more affordable are less likely to have a car or even large cupboards.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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post #101

"These recipes will be based on Potatoes, Milk, Flour, Eggs, and Kale. (Honorable mention to Pinto Beans and Carrots)" Been a week since I saw any of those in shops, and can't recall the last time I saw kale. As always the cheap staple foods and tins are the first to go in panic buying and you just know that all the stuff we usual meh at and lob into the food bank box's are the exact stuff people are now stocking and…

If you are lucky enough to have any land at all, kale is extremely easy to grow

FYI:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizenPlanners/comments/fn3jno/cou...

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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this comment is spot on. carbs are cheap, and shitty.

And, at least, better than starvation.

I don't get the downvotes since this is a concern to those wanting to maintain healthy diet, there are plenty of fat and protein rich non-perishables out there. Ever heard about canned sardines and other fish in extra virgin olive oil? Or pure protein powder? For fats, well why not having a bit of that olive oil? Mediterranean cuisine puts it literally everywhere. Cheap doesn't have to mean junk food automatically. One just has to have a bit of resilience when tastes become not so exciting.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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I left home at 15 and some adults who worked together let me move in with them and be their maid. I paid $150 a month in rent and got $10 a month to live on. I worked out how to live off Milo (a Jamaican malt supplement), Chips Ahoy cookies (1/2 a cookie a day for a treat) and dumpster dived vegetables (mostly cabbages and carrots). I lived like this for years, when I got my first real jobs I made sure to save at lea…

I lived with my wife in a van for months. We dumpster dived behind bakeries, pizza places and ate very simple food. Even now 24+ years later we live a very simple life with few things. (I left home at 17, and lived on the streets for a time as well, so a van was luxury to me) My hope is that if nothing else, the current situation opens people's eyes to past indulgences with no thought toward the future. I wish I had…

My hunch is dumpster diving works well when food is plentiful and people are throwing perfectly edible items away willy-nilly.

Get a depression-style food shortage and suddenly what you find in the dumpster won’t be as appetizing as the donuts that Dunkin just didn’t sell that day.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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post #101

"These recipes will be based on Potatoes, Milk, Flour, Eggs, and Kale. (Honorable mention to Pinto Beans and Carrots)" Been a week since I saw any of those in shops, and can't recall the last time I saw kale. As always the cheap staple foods and tins are the first to go in panic buying and you just know that all the stuff we usual meh at and lob into the food bank box's are the exact stuff people are now stocking and…

I hope you right but I see don't see a recession or a depression. I see a siege.
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