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Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Good list. The problem, at least here in the UK, is that these cheap foods/ingredients are exactly what we're seeing empty on the shelves now. Unfortunately for those who live cheaply, expensive things go last.

If you have any ethnic food stores near by, try them. They tend to have cheap dry goods, with high food value. Although you may not be so familiar with everything, some initiative helps.

Also, keep your eyes open for unobvious cheap food - people panic buy the food they know e.g. in NZ: wheat flour, pasta, tinned tomatoes. But while there was no flour, there were still dried beans and other products that have more food value on shelves that were still great value per $.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Do you have any evidence for this? I don't meant referring to economics textbooks. I mean concrete evidence that empty shelves right now due to this epidemic are the results of price gouging laws. For example, showing that states with price gouging laws have empty shelves and states without do not, when controlling for other factors.

> I don't meant referring to economics textbooks. If you don't allow referring to the vast empirical literature on price controls, you've already decided what you want to believe.

Economics textbooks takes on price controls are very different from price gouging controls, as they operate on different time scales. Price gouging controls are much more likely to prevent shortages than cause them, as they prevent market manipulation, which is another topic that economics textbooks have some good takes on.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#154

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This seems like a misunderstanding of how supply and demand acts in the real world. I didn't say people weren't buying premium products at all - they very much so are. They're just not selling out at the insane rate everything else is. If anything this suggests that the inexpensive products would (assuming we were operating an idealised free market, which we're kind of not because stores are now attempting to limit p…

But you realize the reason expensive things are expensive is because there are enough people willing to pay the premium. If demand for premium products diminishes, premium product producers can either lower prices to meet demand at lower price point, or lower production to new lower levels of demand. Either way there is a present glut of expensive things without enough demand, so existing oversupply is liquidated. So…

> If demand for premium products diminishes,

This is the crucial part, there is no reason to believe this is happening. There is not a 'glut' of expensive things as many are forced to buy the expensive alternative when their preferred choice is gone, and regular consumers of the premium brands still buy them. They just sell out less fast.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#155
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Rice and beans have been gone here in the USA at my local stores.

Flour and Sugar are also gone here. Bread is limited supply

I find it funny that we can find plenty of bread but flour is a completely different story. I'm a little surprised the demand - I recognize how useful flour is, but I'm surprised so many people actually feel confident enough to do anything with it (not that baking is that uncommon, but I only know a few people who know how to stuff like bake bread). On the other hand I guess it is the perfect time learn

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#156
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Do intermittent fasting - no need to eat for 3-5 days at a time.

Careful giving medical advice. Fasting can be dangerous in some cases. The advice I got from my doctor is to start with 24 hour fasts. And then try 48 hours. And then probably stop there. (I am not a medical expert)

Related - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22578614

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#157
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Its worth clarifying that the article is specifically addressing the fallout from the pandemic: Unemployment and poverty due to failing economies and shuttered restaurants and bars. In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. worth posting, a…

there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed.

Everything I have read and experienced suggests this is not true.

You may be unaware of it if you have never been desperately poor. A lot of the food aid available to the poor in the US is handled very quietly because it's done by local organizations trying to take care of the local people who actively want to avoid letting predatory vagabonds know where they can get a free handout.

I have read in the past that America would look a lot better on paper if we counted emergency food stores as part of our assets in the same way European countries typically do.

Decades ago, I read about a study that indicated that only one half one percent of Americans qualified as "poor" by the standards of people in India when based on metrics like food access.

I have read that most housed Americans get three meals a day and most homeless Americans only get two meals a day. There are places in the world where two meals a day would be pretty good food security.

I'm sure we are facing some very real challenges. I'm not convinced that America is as precariously positioned as some people seem to think.

I see comments in this discussion indicating that people who have known serious privation are fairly unperturbed. I think the people freaking out are mostly comfortably well off who think giving up a few comforts is a nightmare scenario.

I'm all for actively promoting information for how to feed yourself cheaply while we actively forbid a lot of people from going to work. Cooking from scratch is a terrific way to both save money and give yourself something constructive to do so you aren't going stir crazy and heading for going postal.

But there are many Preppers in this country who already had a year or more of stored food and the things I'm hearing suggest hoarding is being done in a bizarre pattern that suggests a lot of upper class emotional BS is going on.

According to the research in Diet for a Small Planet, at the time the book was written, every country had the means to feed their people. Famine was due to political and social forces, not due to absolute lack of food supplies.

More recently, I have read of cases where food aid sat on the docks rotting because the whole reason people were starving was due to civil war. The food aid was de facto intended to feed people who were more or less being intentionally starved out and the people in power absolutely weren't going to give them free food from other countries.

Venezuela was in a real world of hurt before covid19. They were hunting wild donkeys and breaking into zoos to steal the animals from zoos. They are going to see terrible problems.

The US doesn't have to. We need to figure out what works so we can avoid unnecessary hardship.

A lot of people are working on it. We aren't just sitting here idly waiting for the four horsemen of the apocalypse to show up.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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post #152

I’ll also suggest nuts. Plenty of fat, and lots of varieties. Personally, a handful of salted peanuts, pistachios, walnuts, or almonds. According to the package, 1 oz (28 g) of walnuts are 180 calories, and 18 g of fat. Very filling.

I love nuts, but I personally don't find them filling, but more so satisfying. I usually have a hand full (~1 oz) of almonds or peanuts in the morning for breakfast, and I have noticed I'm a lot less hungry immediately after than when I used to eat a sugary granola bar.

I'm no nutritionist, but I guess it's something about carbs causing us to want more carbs, so keeping everything fatty helps reduce that bodily crave.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#159

If you have a way of measuring your body fat to a reasonable degree of accuracy, you can ration your food by knowing how much stored body fat your body can convert into energy per day. Your body can convert roughly 0.9% of your body fat into energy in a day. So if you're 180lbs with 33% body fat, you have 60 lbs of fat on you. You should be able to convert ~0.54lbs into energy, which at ~3500 kcal per lbs comes out t…

Regarding losing weight by calorie deficit, I'd like to suggest an alternative solution that does not require knowing your body fat percentage.

First, start estimating how many calories you need per day on credible sites like [1]. Then, buy a scale, measure it twice everyday--first, in morning when you wake up (and peed) and second, right before you sleep. The subtract these two and get an approximate drop in weight (for me, it's usually 1-1.2 lbs over night for average type of food that I eat). Use that to approximate how much food you should eat in the evening and what type of food you should eat so that you can reach your weight goal.

Keep adjusting your portion of food (start from the portion size that will fill you up until your next meal) over the next 10 days to see which one keeps your weight under check or make it go lower.

I have lost 20 lbs between Dec '19 and end of Feb '20 just by doing this. In summary, measuring your weight diligently (just twice a day or even once a day in the morning if you want) is a good enough start to lose weight.

[1] https://health.gov/our-work/food-nutrition/2015-2020-dietary...

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#160

I left home at 15 and some adults who worked together let me move in with them and be their maid. I paid $150 a month in rent and got $10 a month to live on. I worked out how to live off Milo (a Jamaican malt supplement), Chips Ahoy cookies (1/2 a cookie a day for a treat) and dumpster dived vegetables (mostly cabbages and carrots). I lived like this for years, when I got my first real jobs I made sure to save at lea…

I'm curious about your writing, could you link to where I can find some of it?

http://apocalypsethememoir.com/

(from her profile https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=chantelles)

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