Problem with vaccines is that there is as yet no evidence that humans develop immunity to COVID-19. No immunity, no vaccine.
Hopefully that changes soon.
Covid-19’s stop-gap solution until vaccines and antivirals are ready
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
There don't exist 360.000 recovered humans at the moment. At least officially.
Yeah, that's why I keep looking at my math, though it seems straightforward. That 90 tons must be off somehow.
Hmmm, Googling seems to indicate that private donation centers in the US allow donations twice a week. Multiple donations per donor?
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#133China now has a lot of donors for plasma with antibodies. That's why they can stop the shutdown and start tracing outbreaks and treating patients.
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#134"Yes. In fact, the Chinese sent 90 tons of plasma to Italy." That's impressive. I wonder how many individual donations that maps to. And how many people that could treat. Edit: Trying to answer my own question. Typical blood donation is 470ml. That weighs about 0.5 kilograms. Plasma is roughly half of what's in your blood, so half that again... 0.25 kilograms. So assuming they meant metric ton (1000Kg), 4000 individu…
Tons of medical supplies have been sent and part of that was plasma. I believe the first shipment was 30 tons in total, but more has been sent since.
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#135Problem with vaccines is that there is as yet no evidence that humans develop immunity to COVID-19. No immunity, no vaccine. Hopefully that changes soon.
https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1240689935557865472
Details a study on a different Coronavirus in 1990. There is definitely some immunity, but its complicated.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are expecting a global economy crisis, much bigger than the last wallstreet crash. There needs to be a solution in the next 6 weeks, not 6 months. Because by then we'll have a bankrun and global shutdown of social behavior. Profitability needs to look into the next 6 months, not just 2 weeks. And btw, we don't do market economy here anymore. The UK tried and gave up 2 days ago. They are all in centralized crisis m…
I don't agree here. There's the economy as we know it, which might crash/malfunction but then there is the Real Life™. It might seem that the two are very interconnected and society cannot function without a healthy banking system. Reality however proves different. Let's take a look at Iran, a country under heavy financial and commercial sanctions (for quite a few years), partially at war, with widespread riots brewi…
I feel like you've lost the thread here. Real Life™ is the part of the economy that's being shut down; over a billion people are no longer allowed to go to a cafe or speak to friends or continue their day to day activities. The concern isn't that an extended shutdown will be bad for Goldman Sachs, but that it will make ongoing life intolerable and resuming normal life impossible.
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#137Some emerging theories of pathology suggest that lung function can be increased by reinflating collapsed alveoli with constant pressure: https://emcrit.org/pulmcrit/cpap-covid/ . It describes cases where oxygen supplementation could be reduced or eliminated. This development ( https://www.isinnova.it/easy-covid19-eng/ ) looks very promising for 'sub-intensive' cases -- adapting decathlon mask/snorkel with a 3D printe…
Just wondering, I use a CPAP machine... If I were to get this, could I use that to keep going at home? (Perhaps with a higher setting). It sounds like the same thing. CPAP masks do leak air but contamination doesn't really matter as I live alone.
I don't have medical advice for you (not a doctor), but if you need assistance breathing you should call a doctor immediately. Hopefully, we'll get more guidance as we learn from what is working.
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#138Dumb question: infusing someone with antibodies-containing plasma from a recovered patient will help the receiver develop their own antibodies ?
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#139This crisis is the first event in my lifetime that's given me any optimism about our ability, as a global civilization, to solve problems and get things done. I don't feel like we've seen humanity at its best in several decades. Shame it always takes a catastrophe (and an immediate one at that; see climate change) to bring it out.
> This crisis is the first event in my lifetime that's given me any optimism about our ability, as a global civilization, to solve problems and get things done. would you mind elaborating? because i find it extremely difficult how one could hold such an optimistic and apparent naive opinion. from where i sit, this crisis is showing the exact opposite. there is very little international communication and cooperation,…
> there is very little international communication and cooperation
Indeed. The EU didn't really mind about Italy's problems and potential economic unease until it started affecting other european countries too.
If you assume the european union being based, fundamentally, on cooperation then that really make you question the whole thing.
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I don't agree here. There's the economy as we know it, which might crash/malfunction but then there is the Real Life™. It might seem that the two are very interconnected and society cannot function without a healthy banking system. Reality however proves different. Let's take a look at Iran, a country under heavy financial and commercial sanctions (for quite a few years), partially at war, with widespread riots brewi…
I feel like you've lost the thread here. Real Life™ is the part of the economy that's being shut down; over a billion people are no longer allowed to go to a cafe or speak to friends or continue their day to day activities. The concern isn't that an extended shutdown will be bad for Goldman Sachs, but that it will make ongoing life intolerable and resuming normal life impossible.
I think everyone agrees (govs included) that this situation is temporary. As soon as the balance inclines the other way as in less damaging overall to actually let the virus spread than current lockdown, the restrictions would be lifted. Why would people not resume life?
We need to get the timing right, how much we can bend the curve without causing more harm. A matter of choosing the lesser evil.