Keeping the coronavirus from infecting healthcare workers

Post by nikofeyn » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

jtdev wrote: post #8

bamboozled wrote: post #2

“Health-care facilities don’t remotely have the supplies that would allow staff members to see every patient with all that gear on.“ As the article states, China had that ability. If that statement is true, It’s amazing to me that this is something China can do and not the U.S.A. The country that put man on the moon not even a century ago! Incredible. I feel like there are a lot of acquisitions lately that go on abou…

U.S. leaders of industry along with our political establishment have undermined American security by outsourcing the production of critical resources to an authoritarian, communist nation (China). It’s high time we wake up and hold these people accountable.

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

traverseda wrote: post #75

ghostpepper wrote: post #32

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How can you rule out the possibility that mask use has a net negative effect so easily?

The hypothesis that face masks have a net negative effect is a very strong claim, before considering it we'd need some evidence that points in that direction. I guess if you believe that's actually true, you should be advocating for doctors to stop wearing masks... But that's not something we do, because we have enough priors that masks help that we will continue to use them.

Post by fspeech » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:16 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #96

harikb wrote: post #14

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Those countries also have higher population densities and public transport usage than some of the western countries. How can you say the mask isn’t helping?

> How can you say the mask isn’t helping? I didn't but I also didn't make the claim that they would help so I suggest we start by getting claimants to back up their claims before we get anyone checking claims to prove negatives.

Post by octbash » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

fspeech wrote: post #105

brigandish wrote: post #96

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> How can you say the mask isn’t helping? I didn't but I also didn't make the claim that they would help so I suggest we start by getting claimants to back up their claims before we get anyone checking claims to prove negatives.

We need universal mask wearing AND unlimited testing. South Korea showed it works. In Japan, even without widespread testing the spreading is still slower than the west. It's true Singapore does not mandate mask use, but they have thorough contact tracing and draconian quarantine laws.

Post by taeric » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

marcosdumay wrote: post #9

zaroth wrote: post #3

There is a lot of conflicting data. China went full hazmat with the influx of new healthcare workers they sent into Hubei, but Singapore and Honk Kong took significantly more measured approaches which ultimately have also been successful in limiting exposure. The US policy of 14 day quarantine for healthcare workers who had even limited exposure to a COVID patient was never sustainable and threatened to shut entire E…

> It seems they can’t fully explain the spread in some places without it, but they can’t explain lack of spread in some places with it. They surely can. They just have to assume there are way more asymptomatic cases than they have been assuming, and a relatively small susceptible population.