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Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by erentz »

adrr wrote: post #59
xyst wrote: post #43

It’s a shame that the only candidate that wants to tear down this ridiculous health system is getting the boot by the party he is aligned with. The health system in the US is only accessible to those with money. It doesn’t have to be this way. I am not saying socialized healthcare will cure all ailments, but it would definitely be better than the current privatized system.

Medicare for all doesn't give people a choice between private insurance or government insurance. It's a non-starter, i am happy with my insurance like tens of millions of people in the US. Government option gives us a choice proposed by the front runner. Everyone wants to compare us to Canada. Canada gives you a choice and 25% have private insurance. Edit: going to vote me down for just listing facts.

You’re wrong. In Canada and most countries with government single payer insurance you can buy private supplemental insurance that covers more elective or less necessary things the single payer doesn’t. I haven’t seen a Medicare for All proposal that bans that.

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by adrr »

erentz wrote: post #71
adrr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medicare for all doesn't give people a choice between private insurance or government insurance. It's a non-starter, i am happy with my insurance like tens of millions of people in the US. Government option gives us a choice proposed by the front runner. Everyone wants to compare us to Canada. Canada gives you a choice and 25% have private insurance. Edit: going to vote me down for just listing facts.

You’re wrong. In Canada and most countries with government single payer insurance you can buy private supplemental insurance that covers more elective or less necessary things the single payer doesn’t. I haven’t seen a Medicare for All proposal that bans that.

"About 27.6% of Canadians' healthcare is paid for through the private sector. This mostly goes towards services not covered or partially covered by Medicare, such as prescription drugs, dentistry and optometry. Some 75% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers.[63]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada

If a quarter of spending is paid by private, it isn't single payer.

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by originalvichy »

tc313 wrote: post #44
Krokku wrote: post #8

You could buy 0.018 Tomahawk missiles for that or treat 54 people for every Tomahawk missile fired. All of the Tomahawk missiles fired since 2001 would have provided 119.000 people with free Corona treatment. I am thinking that countries with free healthcare care more about keeping their own people healthy than dropping missiles and misery on other countries people.

While your point is valid, it also illustrates how the U.S. subsidizes European entitlement programs by implicitly reducing those countries’ defense spending. If the U.S. were to cut back on defense, European countries would have to cut back on social welfare programs.

You are saying that as if US has defenses in Europe for sheer good will and charity. My country of Finland is doing quite alright with military spending despite being a highly militarized country. There’s a difference between spending money on a defense force and spending money projecting force.

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by extradego »

jjoonathan wrote: post #63
alexhutcheson wrote: post #16

The face values on medical bills in the US are like a bizarre joke - to a first approximation, no one ever pays them. Everyone with insurance gets insurer-negotiated "discounts" to around ~10% of the listed cost. It's tougher for people without insurance - my understanding is that you can negotiate with the entity that sent you the bill to get significant reductions, but I don't have first-hand experience doing this.…

Is begging (negotiation without leverage) a remotely reliable move for those without insurance or is it just an excuse dangled by apologists when in fact the reality is that it usually results in a very small discount unless you get the story to go viral?

I don’t exactly know what you’re talking about, but you can always get healthcare if you don’t mind going bankrupt for it.

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by erentz »

adrr wrote: post #73
erentz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re wrong. In Canada and most countries with government single payer insurance you can buy private supplemental insurance that covers more elective or less necessary things the single payer doesn’t. I haven’t seen a Medicare for All proposal that bans that.

"About 27.6% of Canadians' healthcare is paid for through the private sector. This mostly goes towards services not covered or partially covered by Medicare, such as prescription drugs, dentistry and optometry. Some 75% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers.[63]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada If a quarter of spending…

No. You said that in Canada you can choose between the public insurer or a private insurer. You cannot. You framed this comparison incorrectly this way in order to promote the idea of a public option which is very different. In Canada everyone gets the public single payer insurance. The parts that the public single payer insurance does not cover can be covered by buying supplemental private insurance. That is not a public option scenario.

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by surewhynat »

adrr wrote: post #59
xyst wrote: post #43

It’s a shame that the only candidate that wants to tear down this ridiculous health system is getting the boot by the party he is aligned with. The health system in the US is only accessible to those with money. It doesn’t have to be this way. I am not saying socialized healthcare will cure all ailments, but it would definitely be better than the current privatized system.

Medicare for all doesn't give people a choice between private insurance or government insurance. It's a non-starter, i am happy with my insurance like tens of millions of people in the US. Government option gives us a choice proposed by the front runner. Everyone wants to compare us to Canada. Canada gives you a choice and 25% have private insurance. Edit: going to vote me down for just listing facts.

You're a parasite. You are exactly the problem, infecting American's minds with false information. This trolling over every other first world's country access to medical care is the problem in America.

Canadian's always have a baseline AMAZING medical care system. 25% do not choose private insurance INSTEAD of this baseline system.

There are private insurers that employers offer for things like Dental, Optometrist access...

You can also bet that Canada is not charging each citizen $34k to get tested for COVID-19 and have some basic drugs given to them.

Do not compare this completely garbage american system to Canadian getting additional insurance for dental and eye exams.

This is a time to get a real hard look at your society and fix the problems. Stop trolling looking at what may be wrong in other countries and worry about your own problems, of which you have MANY in the american healthcare system.

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by Krokku »

dangus wrote: post #5

The bill is crazy, but this person won’t have to pay a 10th if it if they call the billing department. Being uninsured is actually something of a blessing in the United States in this situation. If you have health insurance (often with bad coverage and high deductibles), you’ve agreed to waive your ability to negotiate and to pay whatever bill they’ve sent you. Not so for the uninsured. The whole billing system in th…

I dont get it. What is the price then? It depends on my negotiating skills and how many friends in high places i have?

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by what-the-grump »

verylittlemeat wrote: post #58
sumofi wrote: post #3

Not having health insurance is not an excuse. In Germany you are required by law to have it.

They tried that in the US with Obama's mandate. You had a choice of getting of getting health insurance or paying a penalty roughly the same cost as getting the insurance. Trump getting rid of that mandate is one of the few things I'm grateful for in his presidency. No longer am I forced to pay for terrible insurance that had high copays and ridiculous deductibles. I'm a low income worker and in exchange for almost 7…

2.5 percent of your yearly household income or $695 per person ($347.50 per child under 18), whichever is greater.

Not sure how you get 2k?

Re: Total Cost of Her Covid-19 Treatment: $34,927.43

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Post by surewhynat »

adrr wrote: post #73
erentz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re wrong. In Canada and most countries with government single payer insurance you can buy private supplemental insurance that covers more elective or less necessary things the single payer doesn’t. I haven’t seen a Medicare for All proposal that bans that.

"About 27.6% of Canadians' healthcare is paid for through the private sector. This mostly goes towards services not covered or partially covered by Medicare, such as prescription drugs, dentistry and optometry. Some 75% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers.[63]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada If a quarter of spending…

You know healthcare isn't just dental and eye exams right? Canada covers 100% of everything that isn't dental and eye exams.

Also, your insulin shot doesn't cost $1000+ in Canada either. You're a troll, bolstering false information.

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