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Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jmalicki »

salamanderman wrote: post #71
wazoox wrote: post #48

Warning: chloroquine has strong side-effects, and very high toxicity, unfortunately pretty close to therapeutic doses, that may cause serious arrhythmia, and even heart attacks. Don't ever try to self-medicate with chloroquine.

You also can't donate blood for a long time, like 3 years, after taking it.

I see that the CDC bans blood donations for 3 years after being diagnosed with malaria [1], but can't find any citation that blood donations are banned for taking chloroquine itself... do you have a citation to that effect?

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/blood_banks.html

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jshevek »

SpikeDad wrote: post #99
prostheticvamp wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could also have a whole website of things people strongly believed were effective that RCTs absolutely demolished.

RCT? Sorry don't know that abbreviation.

Randomized controlled trial

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jacquesm »

teddyvangogh wrote: post #70
jacquesm wrote: post #40

WARNING: To all those who are reading threads like these and intend to self medicate: you should not do this unless you are medically qualified or have a doctor prescribe you whatever medication might help. The risk of side effects is substantial and there is a reason many countries keep quack laws on the book to go after those who practice medicine without a license. Medical advice should be given by doctors and wha…

chloroquine is prescription only in the US.

I know. It might even work. But until there is really hard proof and the side effects are well documented saying it's out there is tantamount to telling people to self-experiment, prescriptions or not. Illegal drugs are a thing.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by bufferoverflow »

teddyvangogh wrote: post #70
jacquesm wrote: post #40

WARNING: To all those who are reading threads like these and intend to self medicate: you should not do this unless you are medically qualified or have a doctor prescribe you whatever medication might help. The risk of side effects is substantial and there is a reason many countries keep quack laws on the book to go after those who practice medicine without a license. Medical advice should be given by doctors and wha…

chloroquine is prescription only in the US.

Or on the dark webs.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jacques_chester »

pbreit wrote: post #65
wazoox wrote: post #48

Warning: chloroquine has strong side-effects, and very high toxicity, unfortunately pretty close to therapeutic doses, that may cause serious arrhythmia, and even heart attacks. Don't ever try to self-medicate with chloroquine.

WARNING: the above is almost certainly wrong. Citation should be provided. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that it's a well-understood drug that has been around for decades, used by 10s of millions for not only malaria but also arthritis. In fact it is safe enough that it is available over the counter in some countries. [1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroquine

"Well understood" just means well understood. That's not necessarily the same as "safe".

Many substances that have been ingested by humans are well understood, but if it comes to drinking a thimble of cyanide, well ... after you.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by casion »

pbreit wrote: post #79
WalterSear wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's way too nasty a drug IME. The side effects can be really unpleasant, not even considering the possible long term effects. But it would make sense for medical staff and other people in high risk occupations.

It's taken regularly by millions. Are the side effects really that nasty?

I take 600mg hydroxychloroquinine daily with no side effects, it varies from person to person.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #47
LinuxBender wrote: post #2

An alternate zinc ionophore with less side effects is Quercetin [1] [2] which some people here already take for other reasons, myself included. It is most beneficial if being taken prior to infection to slow the RNA transcoding process by getting more zinc into the cells, assuming one is not deficient in zinc to begin with. I mention this because by the time someone is talking to a doctor, the virus has likely alread…

Bioavailability of quercetin is low. That doesn't prevent the supplement industry from profiting from it, unfortunately. The upside is, since it's poorly absorbed from the gut, you probably won't die from it.

There are formulations with higher bio-availability. Try Thorne Research Quercenase.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by aldoushuxley001 »

LinuxBender wrote: post #2

An alternate zinc ionophore with less side effects is Quercetin [1] [2] which some people here already take for other reasons, myself included. It is most beneficial if being taken prior to infection to slow the RNA transcoding process by getting more zinc into the cells, assuming one is not deficient in zinc to begin with. I mention this because by the time someone is talking to a doctor, the virus has likely alread…

Would that mean Green tea could help? since Green tea is high in flavinoids like Quercetin.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by chimichangga »

jacquesm wrote: post #103
teddyvangogh wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

chloroquine is prescription only in the US.

I know. It might even work. But until there is really hard proof and the side effects are well documented saying it's out there is tantamount to telling people to self-experiment, prescriptions or not. Illegal drugs are a thing.

He didn't "say it's out there". Bayer did, who apparently think there's merit to this enough to issue a press release of their own and donate 3M pills. Bayer probably knows more about this than you.

Also, reuters, cnn, msnbc, etc. covered it.

Making the info available here in HN is not tantamount to telling people to self-experiment. that is laughable.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by lurquer »

jacquesm wrote: post #50
batmansmk wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! Reading the study, I don't see any hard evidence. Sounds like the next Forsythia.

> Sounds like the next Forsythia. For those that don't get the reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_(2011_film) And that's exactly what it is.

I wonder if anyone has tried forsythia against covid? I’m just saying... we’d all feel pretty foolish if we find out in a couple years that it is effective.

Edit: yeah, yeah... you downvote me, but I bet you secretly wiki'd forsythia to see if it's a real thing.

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