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Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Maybe if we had kept using bittorrent for TV distribution we wouldn't have so much global traffic downloading "The Avengers" for the millionth time, you would just download it from the nearest host (also the way the internet worked before HTTPS, there used to be way more local caching of content being downloaded over and over again)

You missed Netflix's compression. Netflix delivers contents with a way less data with similar quality.

Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Paying isn't enough to get what you paid for, so... https://github.com/SickChill/SickChill - automatically download TV episodes (about Linux) https://github.com/CouchPotato/CouchPotatoServer - automatically download Movies (about Linux) https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent - torrent client for downloading your Linux tv/movies...

When you cancel the Netflix service (like I just did, after 8 years), please make sure to specify the reason. There's a form (Go to "Account", then look for a cancel button in the upper left part of the page) where you can enter some text.

I'm pretty sure this text is read by a real human in the end. Each cancellation likely represents a pretty significant loss of recurring revenue on average.

Clarification: This was a total BS move. A French EU politician yesterday tweeted a random idea, with no support (or even any request) from any network provider. They all seem to be saying traffic is slightly higher than usual, but they're coping.

Then Netflix just randomly decides to do this, to everyone in Europe. To me this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Goodbye, Netflix.

Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Paying isn't enough to get what you paid for, so... https://github.com/SickChill/SickChill - automatically download TV episodes (about Linux) https://github.com/CouchPotato/CouchPotatoServer - automatically download Movies (about Linux) https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent - torrent client for downloading your Linux tv/movies...

Sonarr and Radarr are 10x better.

Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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I asked a Comcast tech when IPv6 would be available and he said “IP v what?”. Don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Did you ask them ten years ago? Comcast has had v6 for ages.

the point was, i believe, that the techs frequently don't know what they are talking about.

Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Netflix might have data centers that gets closer, but nothing will ever get as far reaching and close as P2P would. A residential building who are all watching the same movie would only have to download the movie from building internet once. Replicate this system on every level (local network building city country) and you get so much more bandwidth available. Of course there are other considerations and we (humans)…

I think you are overestimating the capabilities, and potential "savings", of P2P here. For one, OpenConnect already does what you're suggesting at the "city" level since it's sitting in ISP DCs. Second, there are minimal gains in the last mile via P2P, if at all, considering the numerous types of devices streaming. How do you handle TVs that are already memory constrained by the streaming app? Do mobile devices const…

> What if you’re streaming from a neighbor who turns off their computer?

The default is to download 100% from a CDN somewhere, and P2P that default to the same behavior can’t be a net negative outside of sub 0.1% extra communication overhead. Don’t want to use your upload bandwidth? That’s fine your simply stuck using the same CDN network that’s currently overloaded.

So none of the above are actual issues, a device doesn’t need to stay connected or have the full movie to be useful for P2P. If I start watching some movie while you’re also watching that same movie you can stream whatever is in your buffer to me and that’s a net gain in terms of back haul capacity. I don’t need to depend on anything from you other than what you already sent to me. I can then download from the service bit’s you don’t have and stream them to you.

Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Except residential upload speeds are usually only 1/10th of the corresponding download speed.

Maybe 10 years ago? I don't know anyone with a connection that badly asymmetrical.

That's not the bottleneck. The bottleneck is the IP interconnect capacity between edge network and its peers. If you only have 4x100 Gbit/sec IP sink to Level3 in SEA and your other sink is 100G to NTT, no amount of traffic engineering in your edge network is going to give you more than 500 Gbit/sec of exit and that exit will only be available if NTT has entire 100Gbit/sec that is not congested and Level3 has 400Gbit/sec not congested.

In eyeball networks the bottleneck is not upload. It is traffic being brought into the edge network from upstreams (netflix/photos/etc)

Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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The EU asked them to. They were having no problem keeping up.

Why would anyone in Europe ask for that. All ISP publicity said they have more than enough capacity available. Also it would be the first time that a U.S net company does something voluntarily just by kindly asking.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/tech/netflix-internet-ove...

"European Commissioner Thierry Breton, who is responsible for the EU internal market covering more than 450 million people, spoke to Netflix (NFLX) CEO Reed Hastings on Wednesday and again on Thursday about the strain video streaming was placing on networks."

Apparently the EU thinks it's a problem.

The truth is that this will probably make little difference, but it makes sense for Netflix to do this since it doesn't cost them anything and now they are owed a favor by a regulator.

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Looking at how bad you let your ISPs treat you, I'm quite serious, I think.

Right now apparently they're treating us a lot better than the European isps. Outside the HN bubble no one is really surprised to hear about a service quality problem in Europe though.

Are they? I disagree. Monopolistic, terrible support, terrible speeds, terrible coverage, terrible pricing.

I also disagree that there's an uniform service quality problem, there really isn't. Such a blanket change is simply stupid.

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You could think about the opposite way: it's good that Netflix was using so much bandwidth because it encouraged network upgrades. Now, when we need to use this capacity for something else, Netflix can flip a switch and it's available. Excess usage for luxuries like 4k video in good times is a way of preparing for bad times. Ideally we would treat hospital capacity the same way. In good times, everyone gets a private…

This is also a reason to eat meat from animals fed food for people. In the bad times, slaughter the animals and eat the meat and the feed. It's changed my perspective on efficiency. There are some forms of inefficiency that can provide a buffer if something goes wrong.

That last line used to be highly internalized by Americans who lived thru the depression, WW 1 and 2, etc.
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