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Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Re: Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

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Maybe if we had kept using bittorrent for TV distribution we wouldn't have so much global traffic downloading "The Avengers" for the millionth time, you would just download it from the nearest host (also the way the internet worked before HTTPS, there used to be way more local caching of content being downloaded over and over again)

This is called a CDN, and they are very ubiquitous especially for video streaming services

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BBC: It is not clear if this applies to the special snow flakes on the island off of Europe. Netflix: You're Europeans again, England. Suck it. Scotland: Ha ha.

Actually, we've never NOT been Europeans, and we've never NOT been in Europe. Europe's just a continent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe).

However, we did recently leave the European Union. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union.) Completely different thing, but very commonly confused.

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Except residential upload speeds are usually only 1/10th of the corresponding download speed.

Doesn't really matter though, still means (Slightly oversimplified) that a peer can connect to 10 hosts and not have to download at all from the origin server. Also this simply isn't true in a lot of European countries where upload and download speeds are equal, but that's a different thing.

The math still does not work out.

On an 1:10 asymmetric connection, users would need to remain available for seeding 10 times longer than it takes to download (and presumably watch) the film to have a net positive impact on the system.

That's not exactly realistic, considering that a lot of traffic goes to mobile devices where this would outright kill battery life.

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I'd be pretty sure they'd refund you in Europe?

Aren't we talking about Europe?

Yes. Did they ask for a refund for unused services as part of their cancellation? It sounded more like they were just moaning (my fave past-time!).

The "Europe" qualifier seemed necessary as many people on here aren't in Europe.

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Germany is rather odd compared to the other countries with its adoption of broadband tech - for example you see a decent bit of FTTH/FTTx in NL, NO/DK/SE (muni owned, early adopters), etc. Then you go to Germany and it's mass of DSL (and some areas cable). I wonder what happened or why?

Not an expert on the topic, but IIRC this is the rough outline: - The main ISP of Germany is Deutsche Telekom, a formerly state-owned company that was privatized ~25 years ago, which Germany still holds stock in - In the past Telekom was awarded big contracts to expand broadband access across the country - Telekom is/was really slow at fulfilling those contracts, and at the same time behaves in an anti-competitive ma…

I'm not sure that's (entirely) it. I don't know if this is why Netflix doesn't do it, but Germany doesn't have the same First Amendment laws as the US. In particular, there are some writings that are illegal under German law. Thus, locating a box in Germany that could potentially hold material that is illegal under German law is ill advised. That the box is operating simply as a local cache doesn't seem to change the lawyer's perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany#Re-unifi...

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Comcast's last mile network in Seattle has been struggling in some areas from the morning until around 4 to 5 PM. It's not massive loss, but enough to disrupt video conference. Run a mtr towards an Internet dest and you'll see loss at the first hop and everything behind it.

Mtr isn’t a reliable measure of packet loss. Routers drop “extra” packets like ping before they drop “paying” packets.

Yes I'm well aware of routers policing TTL=1 packets, but if you see consistent loss all the way down it's usually a sign. This compared to seeing individual spikes on intermediate routers which are usually control plane policing.

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Except residential upload speeds are usually only 1/10th of the corresponding download speed.

Maybe 10 years ago? I don't know anyone with a connection that badly asymmetrical.

My connection is 1000/50 – theoretically.

On a good day, that works out to about 100/2, thanks to my provider vastly overselling their shitty overcongested network as "fiber to the home". (It's just cable.)

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Maybe 10 years ago? I don't know anyone with a connection that badly asymmetrical.

That's the standard ratio for Spectrum consumer internet. The ratio actually gets worse as you increase the upload speed. They cap out at 35 Mbps upload even with 940 Mbps download.

My Comcast gigabit internet is capped at 35Mbit upload as well.

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Can I use this argument to the people/corporations I owe? "Oh just get over it and accept things, it's not yesterday anymore you can't just expect delivery on contracts!"

That's exactly what a force majeure is. It depends on the specific contract and the jurisdiction whether a pandemic counts as one but it very well could.

Agreeing: If a pandemic isn't a force majeure then wtf is?

Perhaps if you signed up last week, then you could argue they should have foreseen the current situation from then. Prior to that, then it seems "best effort" is all one could or should expect. Perhaps with a monetary credit/refund if the mitigation is less costly than normal service.

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Except residential upload speeds are usually only 1/10th of the corresponding download speed.

Maybe 10 years ago? I don't know anyone with a connection that badly asymmetrical.

My connection in Germany is 50/5.
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