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Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by geogra4 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #27
gdilla wrote: post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

Coverup, because every country has things that can cause problems for others. China should have used their resources to seal everything and everyone the minute they knew. I agree with Trump on this one, they should have stopped it there. Bats, civets were all linked to previous infections and we know bats have other viruses waiting for us

They did and now there are no new cases from local transmission.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by fma »

izend wrote: post #26
justicezyx wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation please? If we take a few verbal statements of political figure or government officials as official stance. Then US' official stance must be fascism xenophobic totalitarian antiintellectal ... Let not fall with the questionable thinking cultivated by propaganda and fear mongering

He is referring to this one Chinese diplomat's statement, I don't believe it is the official stance but it could be the CCP attempt to blame an external entity: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/asia/china-coronavirus-us-lij...

He did it because Mike Pompeo keeps calling it the China or Wuhan virus, instead of Covid-19, and it irritates China. Now Trump calls it "China virus" consistently...

There's many ways to debunk Lijian Zhao's conspiracy theory including the fact that the people who participated in the Wuhan military games and admitted to the hospital for an "unknown respiratory illness" was confirmed to be malaria by the hospital itself.

He knows it, and anyone who did brief research knows (there are lots of Chinese who believe it, though...they are the Chinese equivalent to MAGA supporters).

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by Supermancho »

mc32 wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets and in particular game markets, given this history. I mean not just in official proclamation but resulting in the complete disappearance even in rural backwaters.

> I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets

You can't stop it anytime soon. There will always be underground community wet markets. A high level engineer, that used to work for Disney, happens to be a close family friend (my brother's Godparent^).

He was contracted out to work on the Ghost cities' transportation lines. As it's been documented, they were the planned destination for the forcible relocation of rural residents. At least, as much of the rural population as China thought they could move. In the test cases, the farmers just ended up reverting to american homeless-style survival, as they didn't stay in their sterile buildings for very long and ended up scavenging/defecating on the streets and trying to escape back to the jungle, as you might expect.

After almost 2 years of working by commuting to-from China, one day he saw an accident where some workers got killed and he got the VERY strong sense that he might not be allowed to leave, due to his danger of leaking the story. He calmly finished out that month, came back home to the US and promptly told Disney he wasn't going back. Since it was insisted that the work continue, he stepped down.

^ This informs me, while it should just be a rumor to anyone else.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by twomoretime »

quicklime wrote: post #29
gdilla wrote: post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

A lot of countries did a poor job of the initial handling of the outbreak, which is why we're in this mess right now. If we're going to demand reparations from countries for a cover-up and exacerbating the situation, it shouldn't be limited to just China.

If China had been more forthcoming with the nature of the virus, instead of ramping up both internal and external censorship, perhaps the world would have been better prepared. Instead their KGB equivalent went into overdrive. Do you know that in addition to admonishing and disappearing doctors and scientists who dared to blow the whistle, at least one multimillionaire tycoon has been disappeared for criticizing the response? The CCP puts the CCP first, before both global and Chinese citizens.

And before anyone accuses me of nationalism, the US has its own share of worldbuilding to answer for, and our response is also difficult to excuse as US intelligence was no doubt aware of the true danger, considering papers regarding R0 and lethality and such have been floating around since early January. Like credit, assign blame where it is due. The behavior of the CCP is not a reflection on the Chinese people.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by ktln2 »

btilly wrote: post #20
guacamole4 wrote: post #18

China's official stance is that virus was developed by CIA and brought to Wuhan by US military [1]. So they'll have to reopen wet markets or else be seen as admitting that the virus actually originated in one of them in China rather than in a CIA lab. [1] https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

Please don't spread conspiracy theories without linking to a reliable source.

In China, you are not allowed to talk about Wuhan as the source of outbreak anymore [1]. A prominent microbiologist is forced to apologize after saying the virus was originated Wuhan seafood market and blaming the culture of eating wild animals[2]. The whole country is trying to shape US as the source of virus, at least on Chinese social media.

1. https://www.ft.com/content/d420ce18-641f-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea6... 2. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic... 3. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-ch...

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

Supermancho wrote: post #43
mc32 wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets and in particular game markets, given this history. I mean not just in official proclamation but resulting in the complete disappearance even in rural backwaters.

> I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets You can't stop it anytime soon. There will always be underground community wet markets. A high level engineer, that used to work for Disney, happens to be a close family friend (my brother's Godparent^). He was contracted out to work on the Ghost cities' transportation lines. As it's been documented, they were the planned destination for the forc…

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Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

guacamole4 wrote: post #18

China's official stance is that virus was developed by CIA and brought to Wuhan by US military [1]. So they'll have to reopen wet markets or else be seen as admitting that the virus actually originated in one of them in China rather than in a CIA lab. [1] https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

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Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by onetimemanytime »

geogra4 wrote: post #41
onetimemanytime wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coverup, because every country has things that can cause problems for others. China should have used their resources to seal everything and everyone the minute they knew. I agree with Trump on this one, they should have stopped it there. Bats, civets were all linked to previous infections and we know bats have other viruses waiting for us

They did and now there are no new cases from local transmission.

I trust their statistics and words. Do you?

But either way, now is too late. The entire world got it and tens of millions will de directly or indirectly.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by jobseeker990 »

mc32 wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets and in particular game markets, given this history. I mean not just in official proclamation but resulting in the complete disappearance even in rural backwaters.

The UN should pass a resolution. 100% global sanctions on any country that allows these.
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