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GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Post by leereeves »

tomp wrote: post #294
leereeves wrote: post #205

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The world's response was late because the Chinese government lied about the virus. Just two months ago the WHO, relying on China's statements, said: > Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China[1] Two months ago the WHO said they didn't have clear evidence coronavirus was…

Believing a proven notorious liar is your own fault. Look at actions, not words. China locking down Wuhan should have been enough of a warning sign. But realistically, even now most people & governments are complacent (few passed martial law).

> China locking down Wuhan should have been enough of a warning sign.

It was. Within a week the world was announcing countermeasures like travel restrictions.

That lockdown was on January 23, less than two months ago.

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Post by leereeves »

netsharc wrote: post #284
leereeves wrote: post #216

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Everyone should be blaming China. They jailed the doctor who tried to warn us. They lied to the world. They "issued an order to hospitals, clinics and other healthcare units strictly prohibiting the release of any information about treatment of this new disease."[1] That's not about shifting blame from the US government. That's placing the blame where it belongs. As the famously conservative editorial board of the Wa…

Don't both deserve blame? Imagine 2 forest firefighting teams who guard their own section of forest, and don't trust each other. Team B notices a bit of smoke rising out of Forest A, asks them about it, and Team A says "Don't worry, we have it under control". When the reports of fires in the outskirts of Forest B comes, team B is too relaxed about it, claims they have it under control without even going there for a c…

Imagine the same scenario, but now Team A and Team B are on opposite sides of the world, and Team A is an authoritarian regime that won't let anyone get near Forest A and won't let anyone talk about Forest A, and instead of a forest fire, the danger is microscopic, invisible to the naked eye and to satellites.

Would you still blame Team B for not knowing about the danger immediately?

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Post by Gibbon1 »

barry-cotter wrote: post #263
simion314 wrote: post #229

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>That's not about shifting blame from the US government. That's placing the blame where it belongs. But for some reason Japan and South Korea were informed and handled the problem, so what conspiracy explains this? Japan has good spies? Japan has supernatural future prediction technology?

Recent experience with SARS meant East Asian countries had procedures in place, took the threat seriously and that the general population did likewise.

I know a few people that were in the far east during the SARS-COV1 outbreak it scared the living shit out them. Those countries including China reacted swiftly and forcibly once they were aware of what they were up against.

Meanwhile in the Trump Administration was actively blocking attempts to perform surveillance by public health authorities as recently as Feb 27th.

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Post by 8note »

lsc wrote: post #241
jdc wrote: post #240

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Hell, we'll make it so med students can get a proper night's sleep during their residencies while we're at it.

the disrespect for sleep the medical profession has is insane. If someone is gonna be cutting on me, I want them to have a good night's rest. They tell me to sleep consistently and well quite often. seems like if it's good for me it would be good for them, too.

it's a hazing ritual

if too many make it to be doctors, the pay won't be as good.

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Post by leereeves »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #303
barry-cotter wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recent experience with SARS meant East Asian countries had procedures in place, took the threat seriously and that the general population did likewise.

I know a few people that were in the far east during the SARS-COV1 outbreak it scared the living shit out them. Those countries including China reacted swiftly and forcibly once they were aware of what they were up against. Meanwhile in the Trump Administration was actively blocking attempts to perform surveillance by public health authorities as recently as Feb 27th.

> the Trump Administration was actively blocking attempts to perform surveillance by public health authorities as recently as Feb 27th.

[citation needed]

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Post by wholien »

bruce_one wrote: post #289
simion314 wrote: post #229

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>That's not about shifting blame from the US government. That's placing the blame where it belongs. But for some reason Japan and South Korea were informed and handled the problem, so what conspiracy explains this? Japan has good spies? Japan has supernatural future prediction technology?

What is the reasoning for implying that Japan are handling the problem more effectively than others? A friend of mine living in Japan thinks there's a "burying their head in the sand" type mentality going on. They've only performed 32,000 tests (which is 16,484 people); which makes it hard to know exactly how the disease is spreading there. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-...

Heard the same... we will see how it is.

Thinking here is Abe/Japan do not want to delay the Olympics, so aren't testing...

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Post by NohatCoder »

ironmagma wrote: post #266
NohatCoder wrote: post #258

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That is some bureaucratic nonsense. Setting up and maintaining a ventilator is not rocket science, you can train other staff to do that job pretty quickly. Ancillary tasks may suffer from staff shortage, but if you need one, getting a ventilator and minimal care is a lot better than not getting a ventilator.

Any guides to how to set up a ventilator by chance? Asking for a friend...

Very short guide: Put a mouthpiece on the patient, connect the mouthpiece to the tube from the ventilator, turn the ventilator on.

Longer guide: Read the manual for the specific ventilator and have fun adjusting air mixture, pump frequency, pressure, volume and other stuff. Choose one of several different models of mouthpiece, with or without tubes, depending on patient needs. Learn about different failure modes and associated alarms. Learn how to operate the pump manually in case of electronics failure. Learn how to properly clean the machine.

It isn't nothing, there are some things you can do wrong if you don't know what you are doing. But a trained medical professional should get up to speed with a crash course.

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Post by melling »

leereeves wrote: post #301
tomp wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believing a proven notorious liar is your own fault. Look at actions, not words. China locking down Wuhan should have been enough of a warning sign. But realistically, even now most people & governments are complacent (few passed martial law).

> China locking down Wuhan should have been enough of a warning sign. It was. Within a week the world was announcing countermeasures like travel restrictions. That lockdown was on January 23, less than two months ago.

Patient Zero was already in the United States.

There are 100,000 flights daily around the world.

Even after the US had a travel ban with China, flights were still leaving China headed for America.

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Post by fermienrico »

Spooky23 wrote: post #23
endorphone wrote: post #8

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You should take actual progress , not bullshit. I'll take the whipping, but this administration is 100% show. If they cared about actual progress they would announce an actual plan, with actual participation of the company. Instead it's yet another incredibly lazy "See...and now we'll do jack shit for another week we've presidented". And I'm sure the imaginary ventilators would be the best. Just beautiful. Everyone s…

You are correct and the lack of plan is petty obvious. We lack the people to run the ventilators too. How and who is coming up with a way to train people to be respiratory therapists in mass? How are you going to attract people to a high stress temp gig where your exit will be coming down with the virus?

The military will.

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Post by dcolkitt »

oliwarner wrote: post #277

Can they also manufacturer anesthesiologists and acute care nurses? Medical beds? Hospitals? Effective PPE so what few staff we have can carry on working? What about safe, medical grade oxygen? It's not enough to have ventilators and beds for 15% of your population. You need a joined up response across the board. This is good, but it's not enough.

> Can they also manufacturer anesthesiologists and acute care nurses?

There's a lot of smart and talented people currently sitting home, doing nothing right now. It may not be medical school but four weeks on Khan Academy can get you up to speed on routine tasks. Then you work under the supervision of a real medical practitioner handles corner cases. This is how medics are trained in wartime.

> Medical beds? Hospitals?

Tons of hotels are sitting empty. Their beds could easily be retrofitted into field hospitals.

> Effective PPE

Apparel companies. H&M and other fast fashion outlets can boot a new design pattern in as little as six days.

> What about safe, medical grade oxygen?

Tons of Scuba shops have gas compressor capacity, which is obviously safe for human consumption. Most of those shops are sitting empty, because of the current collapse in tourism.

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