The evidence up to now, indicates that the coronavirus did not start at a wet market. Patient 0 did not get it at the wet market.
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#172It's not actually known yet what the source of Covid19 is. There's some evidence it may have originated in the US, partly confirmed by the CDC https://twitter.com/BlackHammerOrg/status/124032448907179212... In addition, factory farming is arguably worse than wet markets, with plenty of diseases originating from it so far.
That is a lie and you really should stop trying to repeat it. There is no evidence at all that this virus originated in the US and a metric shit-ton of evidence that it comes from Wuhan. Given your comment history as an apologist for the CCP I am not surprised by the lie, but I still feel compelled to call it out.
The investigation is so far incomplete, with evidence pointing in a couple possible directions. We shall see when more research is done.
Doesn't insisting otherwise make you a US regime apologist?
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#173Time to reban them. They were banned after SARS and that worked, no new diseases from China for a few years. Then they were permitted again and we got MERS and now COVID-19. China needs to learn its lesson for good this time...
Just point out MERS originated in the middle east. And then there is also Australia’s 1994 Hendra virus outbreak where corona viruses made the jump from flying foxes to horses. People working with the infected horses fell ill and two died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus#Hendra_virus Also human to human orthohantavirus in South America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andes_orthohantavirus So it's not just Ch…
I am aware, though I thought MERS originated in a (non Chinese) wet market (turns out no one knows) .
You can't stop it happening naturally. That's just life. You can stop shitty wet markets and poor hygiene/food safety causing it to happen regularly. And you can stop letting it spread because you the CCP can't handle bad news.
I don't care which animals people eat or what country their in. But if the way they behave causes these viruses, they need to change. If they won't, we need to stop trading with them and prevent all travel between us. That's not punishment, it's public safety.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just point out MERS originated in the middle east. And then there is also Australia’s 1994 Hendra virus outbreak where corona viruses made the jump from flying foxes to horses. People working with the infected horses fell ill and two died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus#Hendra_virus Also human to human orthohantavirus in South America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andes_orthohantavirus So it's not just Ch…
I am aware, though I thought MERS originated in a (non Chinese) wet market (turns out no one knows) . You can't stop it happening naturally. That's just life. You can stop shitty wet markets and poor hygiene/food safety causing it to happen regularly. And you can stop letting it spread because you the CCP can't handle bad news. I don't care which animals people eat or what country their in. But if the way they behave…
Don't get me wrong I think wet markets, especially ones that deal with wild caught animals need to be shutdown. That needs to be a worldwide priority.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…
Should we be sanctioned for creating mad cow?
It wasn't a pandemic, it was dealt with as soon as the problem was identified.
Wet markets have been known to a problem for over a decade, nothing was done until after this crisis started.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mad cow could hardly be called a pandemic. A whopping 231 total cases. It caused a little economic damage and comparatively no human damage.
A lot of economic damage, over 4.4 million cows were slaughtered [1] [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45906585
All restaurants, museums, bars, cinemas, gyms, airlines and so on are currently closed in Europe.
The economic damage is going to be at least a 1000 times worse.
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#177It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…
China is not only place where these viruses appear. The swine flu appeared in North America, some kinds of flu appeared in other places like the Middle East. The only thing special about China is that it has a lot of people, so there is a higher probability of human-virus contact.
The swine flu was manageable, because it's a type of flu.
The problem with those wet markets, just like with bush meat in Africa, is that they promote new types of viruses. Fixing those markets is not going to stop all new diseases, but it will prevent some of the most dangerous to emerge.
The main concern here is that the issue has been long known, and unlike poor, wild Africa where taking action is nearly impossible due to severe economic and political difficulties, the Chinese dictatorship's inaction was avoidable.
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#178It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…
> This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices
Sorry, but you seem very certain of this claim, and I don't see evidence to back it up. Please point us to evidence that Chinese agricultural practices are directly responsible for pandemic viruses. If anything, the common agricultural practices of over-using antibiotic, which the both the US and China engages in, is what most scientific studies have pointed to sources of public health concerns because they can breed super germs. Point us to evidence of practice unique to Chinese agriculture that's causing pandemics. It is concerning when an audience that's supposed to be fact-based like Hackernews is circulating this type of uninformed "cultural shaming". Please exercise evidence-based reasoning, and exemplify the values of Hacker News community when you feel the urge to cast broad judgment about an entire cultural system.
I'm not here to defend the Chinese agricultural system specifically, but I'm happy to stand up and call out this kind of nonsense whenever and wherever it pops up, may it be directed toward an Asian culture or Western one.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.
I'm a lefty, so I think it's important to consider that viruses or diseases are often named for the first person to have them, discover them or the region in which they originated. - Hodgkins Lymphoma is named after... Thomas Hodgkin who discovered it. - Ebola is named after the Ebola River in the DRC. ( https://goo.gl/maps/dF1MMnpBBwXpAZ3k8 ) - Lyme disease is named after Old Lyme, Connecticut. ( https://goo.gl/maps…
checkout HIV
checkout "Spanish flu"
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am aware, though I thought MERS originated in a (non Chinese) wet market (turns out no one knows) . You can't stop it happening naturally. That's just life. You can stop shitty wet markets and poor hygiene/food safety causing it to happen regularly. And you can stop letting it spread because you the CCP can't handle bad news. I don't care which animals people eat or what country their in. But if the way they behave…
Don't get me wrong I think wet markets, especially ones that deal with wild caught animals need to be shutdown. That needs to be a worldwide priority.
Sorry, I assumed you were defending them. It's definately true that virus (and other pathogens) jump species in nature. We just need to stop accelerating the process...